I don't think most people understand that the damage from PFAS is generational and cumulative. You can isolate zebrafish, expose the first generation, and you'll see abnormalities generations later even those those fish were never exposed. That is their legacy - it's civilization-level harm.
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I think it is incorrect to blame this on a currently corrupt president. Counter-hypothesis: This is a systemic issue. Decisionmakers and shareholders that cause harm face very little consequences if their behavior does not violate the letter of the law. Compare the leaded gas debacle: US lead industry suppressed knowledge about harmful effects, and even directly targeted researchers with smear-campaigns and lawfare f…
I think it's even more systemic. The public knows about the harm and they are ok with it. They think the benefits outweigh the risks.
The public is driven by convenience, and it's extremely convenient to prefer believing purported long-term harms are fake news, when that belief enables enjoying practically every other short-term convenience available to them
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> Let them burn Who is "them"? The scientists at the time? The managers at the time? The managers now? The stockholders who have already sold and made their profits?
If we can have a murder investigation and assign partial blame for people that are just there while the crime is being committed, why cant we do it for something that harms the entire human race? Just because we don't have a great framework for something today doesn't mean we should not have it, just that incentives have been against it up to this point.
>If we can have a murder investigation and assign partial blame for people that are just there while the crime is being committed, why cant we do it for something that harms the entire human race?
Check the bank balance of the people being convicted for being present when a crime is committed.
Compare it to the bank balance of the people who harm the entire human race.
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curious what point you're highlighting here
That the way the parent comment is written evokes fear unnecessarily.
There are no definite provable effects of exposure of PFAS - in fact our current knowledge of them is so bad that if you use google and find a list of effects on the body from exposure of PFAS the list is endless and full of things that are unrelated, which is obviously impossible and nonsense.
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#46The only way to escape PFAS is to go to a different planet. 3M and Dow have poisoned the entire world. It's shocking how much effort and money I have had to invest to try to mitigate this problem as much as possible in my own home, not because the alternatives are expensive, but because of how pervasive PFAS use is and how it contaminates everything. Every single decision-maker involved should have been jailed.
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#473M knowingly poisoned every single person in the world for decades. Let them burn, and salt the earth where they fall. These fuckers don’t deserve a second chance. How could they have done it better? Acknowledge the science when the problem was discovered in the 70s, publish the findings, let the scientific community study the problem and let people make informed decisions about the dangers. Had they done that PFAs m…
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curious what point you're highlighting here
That the way the parent comment is written evokes fear unnecessarily. There are no definite provable effects of exposure of PFAS - in fact our current knowledge of them is so bad that if you use google and find a list of effects on the body from exposure of PFAS the list is endless and full of things that are unrelated, which is obviously impossible and nonsense.
They just seem like facts to me. If the reader reacts with fear, that's because they interpreted those facts as things that induce fear.
Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
That the way the parent comment is written evokes fear unnecessarily. There are no definite provable effects of exposure of PFAS - in fact our current knowledge of them is so bad that if you use google and find a list of effects on the body from exposure of PFAS the list is endless and full of things that are unrelated, which is obviously impossible and nonsense.
They just seem like facts to me. If the reader reacts with fear, that's because they interpreted those facts as things that induce fear.
Most people have an irrational fear of one or many things, that doesn’t mean those fears have to be entertained.
The media loves to instil fear to get clicks.
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If we can have a murder investigation and assign partial blame for people that are just there while the crime is being committed, why cant we do it for something that harms the entire human race? Just because we don't have a great framework for something today doesn't mean we should not have it, just that incentives have been against it up to this point.
>If we can have a murder investigation and assign partial blame for people that are just there while the crime is being committed, why cant we do it for something that harms the entire human race? Check the bank balance of the people being convicted for being present when a crime is committed. Compare it to the bank balance of the people who harm the entire human race.
Yeah, see my second sentence - throwing up your hands and claiming inaction isn't the way to solve anything. Saying "but the billionaires don't want it!!" sure, let me pre-give up so its super easy for them to keep winning.