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3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by khaki54 »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #7

limited liability corporations are the root of all evil.

without Limited Liability Companies, a civil matter as simple as a copyright lawsuit could permenently bankrupt a small business and take the owners house and all their assets.

I don't agree with companies wantonly externalizing their costs onto the environment or the populace such as Dow or 3M poisoning the entire planet. Criminal liability never goes away for serious crimes, whether sole-proprietership, LLC, or Corp. We need to actually start jailing people though

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by hobs »

coryrc wrote: post #8
more_corn wrote: post #5

3M knowingly poisoned every single person in the world for decades. Let them burn, and salt the earth where they fall. These fuckers don’t deserve a second chance. How could they have done it better? Acknowledge the science when the problem was discovered in the 70s, publish the findings, let the scientific community study the problem and let people make informed decisions about the dangers. Had they done that PFAs m…

> Let them burn Who is "them"? The scientists at the time? The managers at the time? The managers now? The stockholders who have already sold and made their profits?

If we can have a murder investigation and assign partial blame for people that are just there while the crime is being committed, why cant we do it for something that harms the entire human race?

Just because we don't have a great framework for something today doesn't mean we should not have it, just that incentives have been against it up to this point.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by starwatch »

If you want more context on PFAS, I recommend this Veritasium video [0]. It expanded on my usual thought of "PFAS = bad," explaining why non-stick cookware is probably fine while other forms of PFAS are problematic. The video also covers the environmental damage caused by PFAS manufacturing.

[0]: https://youtu.be/SC2eSujzrUY

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by lm28469 »

khaki54 wrote: post #11
calvinmorrison wrote: post #7

limited liability corporations are the root of all evil.

without Limited Liability Companies, a civil matter as simple as a copyright lawsuit could permenently bankrupt a small business and take the owners house and all their assets. I don't agree with companies wantonly externalizing their costs onto the environment or the populace such as Dow or 3M poisoning the entire planet. Criminal liability never goes away for serious crimes, whether sole-proprietership, LLC, or Cor…

> copyright

Another thing we should flush down the drain to begin with

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by myrmidon »

yapyap wrote: post #3

I’m sure they’ll get off legally (just donate to the sitting president) but for the people affected by their practices they will be hard pressed to turn their legacy around.

I think it is incorrect to blame this on a currently corrupt president.

Counter-hypothesis: This is a systemic issue. Decisionmakers and shareholders that cause harm face very little consequences if their behavior does not violate the letter of the law.

Compare the leaded gas debacle: US lead industry suppressed knowledge about harmful effects, and even directly targeted researchers with smear-campaigns and lawfare for decades, but faced no real legal consequences once everything came to light.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by Zigurd »

coryrc wrote: post #8
more_corn wrote: post #5

3M knowingly poisoned every single person in the world for decades. Let them burn, and salt the earth where they fall. These fuckers don’t deserve a second chance. How could they have done it better? Acknowledge the science when the problem was discovered in the 70s, publish the findings, let the scientific community study the problem and let people make informed decisions about the dangers. Had they done that PFAs m…

> Let them burn Who is "them"? The scientists at the time? The managers at the time? The managers now? The stockholders who have already sold and made their profits?

Isn't one of the answers found in the dubious concept of corporate personhood?

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by ck2 »

starwatch wrote: post #13

If you want more context on PFAS, I recommend this Veritasium video [0]. It expanded on my usual thought of "PFAS = bad," explaining why non-stick cookware is probably fine while other forms of PFAS are problematic. The video also covers the environmental damage caused by PFAS manufacturing. [0]: https://youtu.be/SC2eSujzrUY

skiers have been putting teflon wax on their skis for decades now

it's in the snow, ground, and water-supply

forever

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Post by calvinmorrison »

khaki54 wrote: post #11
calvinmorrison wrote: post #7

limited liability corporations are the root of all evil.

without Limited Liability Companies, a civil matter as simple as a copyright lawsuit could permenently bankrupt a small business and take the owners house and all their assets. I don't agree with companies wantonly externalizing their costs onto the environment or the populace such as Dow or 3M poisoning the entire planet. Criminal liability never goes away for serious crimes, whether sole-proprietership, LLC, or Cor…

> could permenently bankrupt a small business and take the owners house and all their assets.

A small business, which practically is comprised of - in the US in most cases 1 employee, or maybe 1-3 employees, most likely related.

That person, who you say did a copyright issues, but maybe I say, accidentally used a chopsaw on someones hand... they're liable.

some fake paper does not reduce liability.

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