Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

Post by incomingpain » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 2:15 PM UTC

HappySweeney wrote: post #6

incomingpain wrote: post #4

Consider this scenario. Your isp emails you that they are terminating your account. You phone gets disconnected. You call them and helpdesk doesnt have a clue why. You try to sign up for new services and they refuse and wont say why. All because a politician has decided it 'reasonable' to disconnect you from the internet; and he can order complete secrecy and there's no judicial oversight. Perhaps you showed up at th…

While I agree with most of this and oppose this bill, your last two lines are a mischaracterization. There is judicial oversight, but only after the order is implemented. Second, the bank accounts seized did not belong to protestors, as the leaders of that siege were convicted of mischief, two of which are being sentenced today. In general, protests do not engage in torturing the local populace with 95db of air horn…

Post by HappySweeney » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 2:25 PM UTC

incomingpain wrote: post #13

HappySweeney wrote: post #11

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> In the sense that you can sue to have the order challenged? That's a good question. The article doesn't say and I haven't read the bill. > Were the bank accounts seized before or after the conviction? Before, of course. That was one of the justifications for invoking the emergency powers, and it wouldn't have been controversial otherwise. This is a digression, though, as there is no mention of any legislative chang…

>That's a good question. The article doesn't say and I haven't read the bill. How are your responding to me making affirmative comments that there's judicial oversight if you havent read the bill? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVTgGnNlfe8

Post by kstenerud » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 3:02 PM UTC

incomingpain wrote: post #15

HappySweeney wrote: post #14

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It's in the article. I'm happy to read the bill and watch your linked video once my workday is over.

>It's in the article. I'm happy to read the bill and watch your linked video once my workday is over. You misunderstand. After it's done, only then could you sue and get judicial review. But it's all in secrecy, so you dont know what or who you need to sue. So you cant get judicial review.

Post by mulr00ney » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 3:37 PM UTC

incomingpain wrote: post #12

HappySweeney wrote: post #6

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While I agree with most of this and oppose this bill, your last two lines are a mischaracterization. There is judicial oversight, but only after the order is implemented. Second, the bank accounts seized did not belong to protestors, as the leaders of that siege were convicted of mischief, two of which are being sentenced today. In general, protests do not engage in torturing the local populace with 95db of air horn…

There is not judicial oversight. You never know there was an order. If you get into that scenario, you suspect the government cut you off, but you go to a lawyer and have literally nothing. The court will not take the case. >econd, the bank accounts seized did not belong to protestors, They seized hundreds of accounts; later had the banks terminate the bank accounts. In fact, not only protestors but people who donate…

Post by incomingpain » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 4:04 PM UTC

mulr00ney wrote: post #18

incomingpain wrote: post #12

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There is not judicial oversight. You never know there was an order. If you get into that scenario, you suspect the government cut you off, but you go to a lawyer and have literally nothing. The court will not take the case. >econd, the bank accounts seized did not belong to protestors, They seized hundreds of accounts; later had the banks terminate the bank accounts. In fact, not only protestors but people who donate…

> In fact, not only protestors but people who donated to the protest got their bank accounts seized. As far as I can tell accounts were frozen, not seized. Do you have a reference for donor accounts being seized? ref: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergency-bank-measures-fin...