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Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by WiseWeasel » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:23 PM UTC

rhizome wrote: post #137

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #62

I look at this and can't believe Apple wanted to ship with this. And I mean that literally, not incredulously. I believe Apple wants to be in carol of its mapping future, but this product isn't ready yet, and I don't think Apple is so delusional to not be able to see that. So that makes me wonder what happened in contract negotiations with Google to force it out. Did Google flat-out say "No"? Seems unlikely. Was it j…

Release early, release often. Luckily Apple themselves don't have any delays getting revisions into their app store.

The only issue is that since Maps is a default app, not managed by the App Store, Apple has to push OS updates to update it in any way, which is somewhat of a barrier to adoption.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by ChuckMcM » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:26 PM UTC

Tichy wrote: post #191

ChuckMcM wrote: post #115

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You are probably correct. However if you look at Google's moves in the maps API with respect to charging money the simplest explanation is that Apple and Google could not come to terms on the price for access and so Apple went with 'plan B'. Given the pain Apple is causing Google in its patent assault I don't doubt for a minute that the senior management at Google would have any regrets about 'losing' the Apple map b…

I really doubt that they charge Apple for shipping Google Maps on their phone. They want as many people as possible to use the app.

They don't charge to ship the app, they only charge Apple when people use it : http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2122151/Google-Maps-API...

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by ForrestN » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:26 PM UTC

It's obvious that Google withheld or made it prohibitively expensive for Apple to pay for the liscence to google maps.

It does retroactively make the case for handling these things in-house, especially when the partner is a competitor. After years of giving Google valuable data to the point where it becomes a major competitive advantage, google presumably says "go to hell."

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by WiseWeasel » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:28 PM UTC

its_so_on wrote: post #38

pooriaazimi wrote: post #29

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First time I heard about CUPS! Apparently it's a kind of printing system. Thanks. http://www.cups.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS

you're not alone. apparently, for many people, occasionally hearing the word "CUPS" is the closest they ever get to printing under Linux.

People print so rarely nowadays, it's more economical to go to the FedEx office on the occasions when you need something printed out than to buy a printer and ink or toner.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by dholowiski » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:30 PM UTC

jasonlotito wrote: post #190

DigitalJack wrote: post #181

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There are 100s of navigation apps and almost all have maps, directions, gps integration.

And can be set as the default app so when I click on a location, it takes me to that location without forcing me to jump through hoops in copying the text, and then clicking over and eventually pasting it? You know, like it was in iOS5? Awesome!

That is not a "map" thing that's an IOS thing. If you want to change default applications, better switch to android.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by white_devil » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:39 PM UTC

"ZOMFG APPLE SUCKS!"

There's a new huge undertaking of making a modern, competitive "Maps" product. Who'd have thought that when the first version ever is released, its data is not as accurate as a seven-year-old competitor's?

This is fucking ridiculous. Let's see how long it takes for Google to replace everything it has with vector graphics. You know, to get even with the iOS 6 Maps. Who's the incumbent in two years?

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by homosaur » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:42 PM UTC

This thing is an AMAZING atlas, especially on the iPad. It's a horrible navigation tool though.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by cooldeal » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:43 PM UTC

Maascamp wrote: post #114

rauljara wrote: post #19

The "roller coaster" effects in the 3-d view are my favorite. They've got some smoothing algorithm going, or it wouldn't curve the way it does, but the elevation data must not have a high enough resolution. Google has made this sort of thing look so easy for so long, but it's clearly very hard to get this stuff right. So, I guess it's not that surprising that apple messed up something incredibly hard in their first a…

I don't think Apple gets a pass here. If they are forcing users onto their product it had better be competitive, no matter how hard it is. Microsoft got so such pass with WP7 and that was an entirely new OS/platform!

>Microsoft got so such pass with WP7 and that was an entirely new OS/platform!

Well, around tech circles, Apple and Google frequently get more free passes compared to Microsoft.

And that's kind of funny because Nokia just put out a comparison with Apple and Google maps to cash in on this hoopla.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/20/benchmarking-mobil...

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by astral303 » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:44 PM UTC

mavhc wrote: post #178

taligent wrote: post #169

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You're not forced to upgrade to iOS6 nor is Apple blocking Google Maps on the browser.

Unless you want, say, security updates. You're also forced to buy a new phone/device if you want them after x years too, where x is a low number

Where X is a number considerably higher than for Android. Look at the number of years the 3GS has survived and compare that with your average Android phone not getting latest OS updates or any security updates.

But I agree that anyone buying a new phone is stuck with iOS 6.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by Simucal » Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 7:48 PM UTC

white_devil wrote: post #206

"ZOMFG APPLE SUCKS!" There's a new huge undertaking of making a modern, competitive "Maps" product. Who'd have thought that when the first version ever is released, its data is not as accurate as a seven-year-old competitor's ? This is fucking ridiculous. Let's see how long it takes for Google to replace everything it has with vector graphics. You know, to get even with the iOS 6 Maps . Who's the incumbent in two yea…

I could be mistaken but I've read that Android has had vector based maps in its app for awhile.