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Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Anyone still using windows should plug that hole and switch to linux or apple. If you are trapped on windows due to a specific piece of software running a virtual machine on linux is your friend. Boot up windows only when you need it and the only thing MS gets is one datastream of your single use of their product and not your entire digital existence. Same also applies for Apple + vm. Either choice on its worst day i…

Is it possible to run anything from apple without any accounts?

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Im genuinely curious, what is the issue if you keep using windows 10?

I have a 10 year old macbook pro with a bootstrapped windows 10 for testing various things, and it looks like everything is kind of working the same way? Steam hardware survey shows that 32% of people are still using windows 10.

Besides "security updates", there is nothing to loose?

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Not sure Microsoft realizes the damage they're doing to the Windows brand. My first experience with Windows 11 was figuring out some dumb workaround to use a local account. When I think back to Windows 7, the good feeling isn't nostalgia. It was the last user-focused Windows. Maybe someone will develop a new user-focused OS that's somehow compatible with Windows programs. Or better yet, maybe Microsoft will realize v…

Maybe someone will develop a new user-focused OS that's somehow compatible with Windows programs. That's either Linux with WINE, or a "custom distro" of Windows from the remaining neighbourly hackers in the modding scene (they can't embed the hostility everywhere and as deep as the kernel, although they are most likely trying.)

WINE it is. I can't see any point in playing cat and mouse with an actively hostile OS. When a new Windows update starts stealing IMAP credentials[1] before the modding community catches on, it's game over for the user. Better to not use anything based on Windows.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Can't make a custom gaming rig with Mac. Linux gaming isn't quite there yet too.

Serious question: why not just use a stand-alone gaming system (e.g. PlayStation, xBox)? Don't really game much, but I did buy a PS4 just for the therapy of offline GTA5 beatdowns. ---- The only Microsoft in my house is a twenty year old Windows 7 Pro machine — it always just works .

That's sort of like asking a motorbike enthusiast why they don't just drive a car instead.

There's a big difference in the input scheme between PC and consoles. Playing with a controller might not be satisfying for someone used to keyboard and mouse. The latter also provides a higher skill ceiling for competitive play.

The lower end hardware used in consoles also does not allow for high framerates and high resolution monitors, while with PC gaming one can get as much performance as they're willing to pay for.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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I'm not a Windows person at all and only follow developments in Windows drama sporadically. Is it even an option to first install an old build of Windows 11 (21H2, 22H2, 23H2, ...) and hope that an update will bring the system up to a secure state? Or will it feel like installing Windows XP in 2008?

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Time for me to go all in on Linux. Ubuntu has been my daily driver on dual boot with windows since MS started using dark patterns to opt in to OneDrive. My next build will be solo boot! My work machine is a Mac though I don't get any say in that.

I just upgraded my recently bought X1 Carbon Gen 12 from Ubuntu 22.04 LTS to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS. And now the sound stutters occasionally :( My guess is it's something with Pipewire replacing PulseAudio, where some apps now use a PulseAudio shim on top of Pipewire. Or maybe drivers I dunno.

But the fingerprint scanner works. The fingerprint scanner works!

Everything else has been fine.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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I think this change (and everything in Windows 11) is being driven by the MS Account PM watching telemetry and making number go up.

Not sure. If they would actively read that telemetry data they would notice that the market share of Win11 due to their actions is shrinking, not rising. But maybe they are holding the telemetry graphs upside down? ;) And, obviously, a Windows system not connected to the Internet will not give you Telemetry, so this part of your customer base is invisible to you. As a PM, you would have to actually talk with your act…

The W11 market share isn't shrinking though. A few statistics tracking of websites shows that, but there are plenty of reasons that would go down for w11. Nobody (<0.05%) are buying machines and installing W10.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't make a custom gaming rig with Mac. Linux gaming isn't quite there yet too.

Serious question: why not just use a stand-alone gaming system (e.g. PlayStation, xBox)? Don't really game much, but I did buy a PS4 just for the therapy of offline GTA5 beatdowns. ---- The only Microsoft in my house is a twenty year old Windows 7 Pro machine — it always just works .

In addition to what sibling comment wrote well, there are also a bunch of games that aren't "couch-friendly" and not even available on console.

I like consoles (borderline prefer them to PCs) but there are some experiences I can only have on PC.

Another aspect is that sticking a console onto my desk and plugging it to my PC monitor wouldn't be very practical, and I don't want to commit my living room to my gaming whims, and even less want to get another TV+couch-like setup in my office.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Are there any limitations with this to be aware of? Are Hypervisor/Docker/WSL2 all supported? I'm trying to decide if I want to transition my work computer to Linux or Windows 10 LTSC. Most of my day is spent working inside of WSL2. So, it kind of seems like I should just get on with using Linux native, but several decades of sunken cost have kept me on Windows. I don't think I have a desire to 'upgrade' to Windows 1…

The only mid level hurdle you'll encounter is no Microsoft store. It was only an issue for me when gaming, but steam was fully supported. Same for Win 11 LTSC.

I am on an LTSC install. Installing the Microsoft store is as easy as typing `wsreset -i` into an admin powershell.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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The best thing to happen to Linux Desktop is Windows 11, with perfect timing too as modern Linux has been a joy to use as a daily driver.

Normally I'd be unhappy when a sleazy corp forces me to give up on 25 years of muscle memory of using my preferred OS, but I'm thankful they gave me the push I needed to rip off the ad/spyware laced Windows Band-Aid that I only need to do once in my life.

It's been over a year since I switched to Linux which has been a breath of fresh-air, all my dev tools work natively, the console is far superior and I'm still able to play all my favorite Steam games.

Best of all I'm not reminded daily that I'm using an OS that works against my best interests, I can actually use an App Store again that's been designed for the benefit of its Users, imagine that.

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