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Re: Apps SDK

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Post by jwpapi »

fragmede wrote: post #233
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #224

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Even when my phone is in my hand I'll use voice for a number of commands, because it's faster.

and less mental overhead. Go to the home screen, find the clock app, go to the alarm tab, set the time, set the label, turn it on, get annoyed by the number of alarms that are there that I should delete so there isn't a million of them. Or just ask Siri to do it.

One thing people forget is that if you do it by hand you can do it even when people are listening, or when it’s loud. Meaning its working more reliable. And in your brain you only have to store one execution instead of two. So I usually prefer the more reliable approach.

I don’t know any people that do Siri except the people that have really bad eyes

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by jmspring »

sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

Searching? Google has become shit and ads.

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Post by OccamsMirror »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #282
ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #277

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I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being…

I have very normie and not-so-normie friends that ask ChatGPT almost anything. My parents consistently make use of it, and they're almost 70, and not that tech-literate. There was a fun release from Anthropic about the type of queries that they're receiving, and code-gen is minority. I think we're, once again, not the average user.

I wonder how many of those “average users” will actually happily pay what the true cost is though? Are they really getting perceivable value for it or is it just more convenient than present day Google.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by freakynit »

notatoad wrote: post #137
fidotron wrote: post #50

This conception makes sense iff you believe in ChatGPT as the universal user interface of the future. If anything the agentic wave is showing that the chat interfaces are better off hidden behind stricter user interface paradigms.

i can't imagine that users will be interested in asking chatGPT to ask zillow things, or ask chatGPT to ask canva to do things. that's a clunky interface. i can see users asking chatGPT to look up house prices, or to generate graphics, but they're not going to ask for zillow or canva specifically. and if the apps are trusting ChatGPT to send them users based on those sort of queries, it's only a matter of time before…

Exactly.

This is exactly the same playbook as has already been played multiple times in the past(and currently playing) by existing companies.

These companies initially laid out red carpets for such builders, but once they themselves had enough apps, they started to tighten the rope, and then gradually shifted to complete 100% control and extortion in the name of "security" or other made-up-excuse.

No-more walled garden. If something like this has to come (which I truly believe is helpful), it should be buiild on open-web and open protocols, not controlled by single for-profit company (ironical since OpenAI is technically non-profit).

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by aabhay »

fishpen0 wrote: post #218
drdrey wrote: post #188

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counterpoint: a lot of people around me just type "zillow" in google to access it, so maybe it's not absurd to refer to it by name in a chat interface

Right, but if you just search for "house listings" you find zillow and redfin and other stuff. Becoming the new word for "listings" will tie specific brands to our use of language in very interesting ways. What happens if I register my app to a common word. In this example, can I take "listings" and astroturf my app to the top? Is this a new DNS "buying all the domains" race?

I mean ultimately you’re in OpenAI’s world, they have even more innate control of language, meaning, and truth

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by consumer451 »

apwell23 wrote: post #48
consumer451 wrote: post #45

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What is the superior way for an LLM to interact with your product?

llm can call my existing apis fine. curious what kind of problems you are running to with your existing apis?

I want LLM chat integration with my product.

So far, it seems that if you give an LLM a few tools to create projects and other entities, they seem to be very good at using them. The user gets the option of chat driven ui for our app, with not that much work for limited features.

Currently building internal MCP servers to make that easy. But I can imagine having a public one in the future.

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Post by fragmede »

jwpapi wrote: post #291
fragmede wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and less mental overhead. Go to the home screen, find the clock app, go to the alarm tab, set the time, set the label, turn it on, get annoyed by the number of alarms that are there that I should delete so there isn't a million of them. Or just ask Siri to do it.

One thing people forget is that if you do it by hand you can do it even when people are listening, or when it’s loud. Meaning its working more reliable. And in your brain you only have to store one execution instead of two. So I usually prefer the more reliable approach. I don’t know any people that do Siri except the people that have really bad eyes

God I miss physical buttons and controls. being able to do something without even looking at it.

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Post by saxelsen »

klysm wrote: post #248

I guess openai is trying to execute the google playbook?

I'll bet $100 they're seeing an opportunity to dethrone Google as the entrance point to the web and this is a big part of it.

It feels like OpenAI's mission has changed from "We want to do do AGI" to

"it'll be easier to do AGI with a lot of money, so let's make a lot of money first" to

"we have a shot at becoming bigger than Google and stealing their revenue. Let's do that and maybe do AGI if that ever works out"

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Post by heavyset_go »

ultrarunner wrote: post #272
heavyset_go wrote: post #270

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Just like I won't trust voice assistants to make purchases for me, or make decisions that actually matter, there is no way in hell that I'm letting an LLM be able to charge my credit card, let alone book flights for me lol

Think of how much work it'll create to correct these charges. I bet there's application for understanding and issuing refunds & corrections… I suspect our future is going to be a lot more frustrating, both from AI screwups and the atrophied skills of humans

You'll be dealing with AI agents all the way down.

A decade ago, I used one of the hotel aggregator sites to reserve rooms for vacation, and as I call the hotel to double check something on my way to the airport, I find out that I don't actually have a reservation and my room is already occupied. They couldn't do anything about it, as it was the 3rd party aggregator's mistake.

Just getting the aggregator to admit, that no, even though their system says I have a reservation, the hotel confirmed it didn't exist took over an hour. I had to go through several layers of customer service, and I suspect different call centers, until someone called the hotel themselves and issued a refund.

It was miserable and stressful to do from the airport, I would have lost my mind if I had to deal with chatbots for what was already a terrible experience with an automated purchase.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by anshumankmr »

dawnerd wrote: post #274
dewitt wrote: post #39

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> This means OAI won't need ads. Just rev share If OpenAI thinks there’s sweet, sweet revenue in email and calendar apps, just waiting to be shared, their investors are in for a big surprise.

Zapier has been doing this for how long and no one talks about them like some hot new startup.

Isn't Zapier also doing some AI based automations? But yeah, I will say ChatGPT does have a massive user base.
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