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Re: Apps SDK

#281

Post by nutanc »

sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

Why would you go inside a chat box and try to force fit applications and show the applications in weird ways and then finally link out to the actual application instead of just putting a chat box inside the application which is the accepted way.

Re: Apps SDK

#282

Post by tokioyoyo »

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #277
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being…

I have very normie and not-so-normie friends that ask ChatGPT almost anything. My parents consistently make use of it, and they're almost 70, and not that tech-literate. There was a fun release from Anthropic about the type of queries that they're receiving, and code-gen is minority. I think we're, once again, not the average user.

Re: Apps SDK

#283

Post by sert_121 »

stackedinserter wrote: post #255
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

The main showstopper here is trust. I just can't let anything AI make decisions that have consequences, like spending money, buying anything, planning vacations, flights etc. It's so bad now (I've just tried) that I'm not sure if it will ever gain my trust.

I see your point in user trust, and that's fair, but the same concerns have been prevalent since GPT3 rolled out , that no one would trust these tools to write or edit anything. However, since then users are growing to be more and more attuned to filter and distinguish the quality of the responses (doing invisible A/B testing of these responses), so maybe that's what providers want to capitalize on.

ChatGPT has become one of the top-most browsed websites, and they want to capitalize on it even if 2% of the people actually trust the new integrations.

Re: Apps SDK

#284

Post by zer00eyz »

nutanc wrote: post #281
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

Why would you go inside a chat box and try to force fit applications and show the applications in weird ways and then finally link out to the actual application instead of just putting a chat box inside the application which is the accepted way.

Years ago (in the age of flip phones, think pre 2001) I worked at a bank.

When we launched our mobile banking platform, one of the PM's there swore up and down that we should be piloting banking by text message. He was fabulously wrong at the time and in the end got a lot of things right.

There are a lot of applications that could fit in a text box provided that your not doing the work rather that your delegating it.

Re: Apps SDK

#285

Post by sert_121 »

3s wrote: post #264
stackedinserter wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main showstopper here is trust. I just can't let anything AI make decisions that have consequences, like spending money, buying anything, planning vacations, flights etc. It's so bad now (I've just tried) that I'm not sure if it will ever gain my trust.

not to mention the privacy concerns associated with connecting my entire life to OpenAI or Anthropic. If you have the memory feature enabled, it's scary how much ChatGPT knows about you already and can even infer implicit thoughts and patterns about you as a person.

I am sure it already knows a lot regardless of the memory feature, as long you're sharing your chat history/ have your history enabled, but I agree, it'd simply worsen it.

Re: Apps SDK

#286

Post by taurath »

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #277
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being…

The majority of americans are more concerned with AI. Only like 22% are optimistic. And why would they be optimistic that it'll result in a better life for them

Re: Apps SDK

#287

Post by wes-k »

nutanc wrote: post #281
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

Why would you go inside a chat box and try to force fit applications and show the applications in weird ways and then finally link out to the actual application instead of just putting a chat box inside the application which is the accepted way.

If I had a human assistant, I'd ask them to book my flight. The chat box is your window to your AI assistant. Maybe this new assistant hasn't earned your trust yet, but it makes sense that trust-aside, you'd ask your assistant to do whatever they could do for you.

Re: Apps SDK

#288

Post by nutanc »

wes-k wrote: post #287
nutanc wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you go inside a chat box and try to force fit applications and show the applications in weird ways and then finally link out to the actual application instead of just putting a chat box inside the application which is the accepted way.

If I had a human assistant, I'd ask them to book my flight. The chat box is your window to your AI assistant. Maybe this new assistant hasn't earned your trust yet, but it makes sense that trust-aside, you'd ask your assistant to do whatever they could do for you.

Right. But my assistant wouldn't show me a new screen and ask me to do things in it :)

Re: Apps SDK

#289

Post by jwpapi »

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #277
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being…

I would argue a website made to buy you tickets (skyscanner f.e.) is always gonna be a better interface than chat.

Right now I cant imagine an AI (esp. chat) being more convenient for me than skyscanner or Google Hotels, but maybe I’m missing the imagination.

Re: Apps SDK

#290

Post by jwpapi »

peab wrote: post #148
munk-a wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to see a chat agent deployed that is more popular than tailored browsing methods. The most charitable way to explain this is that the tailored browsing methods already in place are the results of years of careful design and battle testing and that the chat agent is providing most of the value that a tailored browsing method would but without any of the investment required to bring a traditional UX to fruit…

agree. Thing is, for those who paid attention to the last chatBot hype cycle, we already knew this. Look at how Google Assistant was portrayed back in 2016. People thought you'd be buying starbucks via the chat. Turns out the starbucks app has a better UX

Omg thank you guys. It felt so obvious to me but nobody talked about it.

A UX is better and another app or website feels like the exact separation needed.

Booking flights => browser => skyscanner => destination typing => evaluation options with ai suggestions on top and UX to fine-tune if I have out of the ordinary wishes (don’t want to get up so early)

I can’t imagine a human or an AI be better than is this specialized UX.

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