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Structured Procrastination (1995)

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Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

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Over the years I have become more or less convinced that I have adult ADHD. The overlap in symptoms are too difficult to leave unacknowledged. But, at the same time I have been procrastinating on getting myself diagnosed. Oh, well.

Thing with adult diagnoses for these is that most adults have adapted and are managing fine. But, the adults I've seen that did end up getting a diagnosis were no longer managing fine. I theorize there's two factors, one is family life - where you can't do your own decompression or coping as much anymore because you are Needed. The other is mental and physical resilience, once you're past 30 this starts to decline so your mental energy levels etc aren't as strong anymore.

Most adult diagnoses I've seen around me are people in their mid-30s, which is the same rough age as people start having burnout after spending their 20s doing all the things and growing into more responsible roles.

But that said, thanks to the internet, people learn to recognise the symptoms and know that there is help when they need it. In theory anyway, I know in the US and UK adult mental health care is expensive and/or unavailable.

Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

#93

Kind of fitting that this is currently #1 on HN

What's more, it's been posted 40 times, the first being back in 2007!

Ah yes, the "I'll read it later" flavour of procrastination.

I don't read it later, HN is where I go to procrastinate, lol.

Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

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It all comes down to doing things you don't want to do.

Procrastination as a concept exists to trick you into thinking that you should want to do the thing you don't want to do.

It's much better to just recognize that there's a lot of things I don't want to do, and there is no trick to make me like those things, and it will be miserable doing those things. Sometimes, I'll need to do things I don't want. No way out of it.

In my opinion, it's also beneficial to keep it simple. Instead of playing a game of "if I finish this side project, I'll be able to show it to others, then maybe I'll be recognized, then...", just keep it simple: do you want to work on it or not (does it make you happy?), right now? Do you need to work on it (to pay bills, to support children, etc), right now?

This way, you never procrastinate. You either succeeded at avoiding doing something you don't want to do, or you failed doing something you need to do.

Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

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I'm doing the same, or at least trying to do it. Worst periods for me were when I had one clear, important goal, not particularly hard but hairy, and nothing else to do, sometimes because I myself cleared it up. I could spend months doing nothing useful , and end up very, very tired and burnt up. I also several times had a conversation with managers, whom I told that I'd rather work on something very urgent, or other…

> Next time I'll see such a response, I probably will quit on the spot; this is unbelievably cruel. Let me guess: you’d quit but your résumé’s out of date because you, like me, procrastinate updating it? (Sounds like a manager trying to manage you out; make things miserable enough for you that you’ll quit without having to go through the redundancy process…)

> Sounds like a manager trying to manage you out

This is the norm from what management does to us.

Evil techniques managers use: Isolate the IC. Put IC on a legacy or deprecated work stream. Don’t give IC anything that could increase their longevity. Work politically to get others with you on an empathetic level, such that they understand this person is a drag, in some way that doesn’t make you look frustrated or a poor leader. As a manager, you control popular opinion without the IC even knowing. Micromanage the IC. This is a sure-fire way of ruining any IC.

While what the manager should do is: let the IC do their job, encourage them, foster their growth, and be positive about them to coworkers and others.

Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did mention their adhd diagnosis..

ADHD definitely doesn't help but I don't find there's a direct link between ADHD & why I procrastinate. The why is personal to me & unlikely to be the same for everyone but I find these kinds of tools & strategies are a means to ignore the why & "get by" without addressing any fundamental issues. One example (of which there are many) is that external validation as a motivator is a big cause of procrastination in some…

I’m coming to see the root is usually some kind of avoidance, always emotional, often subtle. I think this actually is pretty universal but the specifics vary wildly. It’s taken a while to unpack this. For a long time, when I’d about of a task I was avoiding, I’d just get this wave of a feeling of “ughhh” and turn away.

There’s something the feeling is trying to warn me about, and sitting with it can help figure it out and let it go. A lot of my own stuff stems from school I think. The funny thing is it’s often totally illogical. Like a sense of panic comes up - “oh no! Someone will be mad I haven’t started this yet!” - yes well wouldn’t getting it done avoid that outcome? “no but it’s too late! They’ll yell at me when I turn it in!”. My brain associated “doing the task” with “getting in trouble” in a weird way, and that emotional program runs whenever something vaguely similar comes up.

The surface-level fear might cover up a deeper fear underneath too (something like, I won’t be ok, or good enough, or loved anymore).

All this emotional stuff has been a recent focus of mine ever since finding Joe Hudson’s work. There’s a good playlist on procrastination that’s relevant here: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrbct081G13-ot5FviKz1bt...

Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

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Does anyone know why the newest Firefox isn't showing the button for the reader view on this page? The shortcut doesn't work either. It seems to work fine on plenty of other articles on other websites.

Normally I don't rely too much on that feature, but this website is hard to read as-is.

Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just the thought that I have to (i) find a doctor and then (ii) speak at length about myself and symptoms, is a massive deterrent. Then there are worries that I might get dependent on the medicines and /or my tendency to form whacky spontaneous connections between things (a trait that I find amusing and unwilling to lose). I know. I know, these are excuses. Thanks for the push.

I suspect I have ADD as well and did the same thing for the longest time, that is putting off getting help, but I have an initial appointment tomorrow to either confirm, or rule out, a diagnosis. I ended up needing a nudge from someone else to finally get to it, so let this be a sign that you can do it too! ;)

Good job and all the best.

I have found that having a compassionate partner who knows when not to take your (meaning mine) bullshit and when to yield somewhat, helps a great deal. I am very lucky in that sense, but wish she was stricter. So yes, non-judgemental but unyielding nudges help a lot.

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