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Structured Procrastination (1995)

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Re: Structured Procrastination (1995)

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Over the years I have become more or less convinced that I have adult ADHD. The overlap in symptoms are too difficult to leave unacknowledged. But, at the same time I have been procrastinating on getting myself diagnosed. Oh, well.

That's a classic pattern in adult ADHD. I had the same issue. Getting help is sometimes the most difficult step and it can change your life (and those of your loved ones) for the better.

Just the thought that I have to (i) find a doctor and then (ii) speak at length about myself and symptoms, is a massive deterrent.

Then there are worries that I might get dependent on the medicines and /or my tendency to form whacky spontaneous connections between things (a trait that I find amusing and unwilling to lose).

I know. I know, these are excuses. Thanks for the push.

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That's a classic pattern in adult ADHD. I had the same issue. Getting help is sometimes the most difficult step and it can change your life (and those of your loved ones) for the better.

Just the thought that I have to (i) find a doctor and then (ii) speak at length about myself and symptoms, is a massive deterrent. Then there are worries that I might get dependent on the medicines and /or my tendency to form whacky spontaneous connections between things (a trait that I find amusing and unwilling to lose). I know. I know, these are excuses. Thanks for the push.

They are excuses and i had the same for a long time. Part of the reason for these delays are also the symptoms of the disorder which impairs functions responsible to be able to make changes.

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I’m on the same boat. What do you think the root causes of procrastination were in your case?

They did mention their adhd diagnosis..

ADHD definitely doesn't help but I don't find there's a direct link between ADHD & why I procrastinate. The why is personal to me & unlikely to be the same for everyone but I find these kinds of tools & strategies are a means to ignore the why & "get by" without addressing any fundamental issues.

One example (of which there are many) is that external validation as a motivator is a big cause of procrastination in some people - working on things "for others" hits on a lot of complex issues around personal insecurities & ego. The idea that your work will be seen & judged can be a big factor in pressures & subconscious negative emotions around doing the work. Addressing motivation properly involves addressing those insecurities, rather than just "getting on with it" & using a temporary strategy to get it done.

That's an example, but it doesn't apply to everyone & it's never that simple for anyone.

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I'm doing the same, or at least trying to do it. Worst periods for me were when I had one clear, important goal, not particularly hard but hairy, and nothing else to do, sometimes because I myself cleared it up. I could spend months doing nothing useful , and end up very, very tired and burnt up. I also several times had a conversation with managers, whom I told that I'd rather work on something very urgent, or other…

> I'm doing the same, or at least trying to do it.

This post gives me hope as someone with ADD. I have a MTHFR mutation and cross-dominant eye, with a little autism spectrum, psychosis, OCD tendencies, depression, injury, sleep apnea, and insomnia.

I recommend eggs, spinach, potentially fasting, walking, and maybe some kind of fidget device.

I also recommend giving yourself a little slack.

If you’re like me, we don’t belong. We’re pirates when it comes to what’s expected of us. We don’t fit in. We’re made that way. We go all out until we can’t, and then we don’t until we do again. We’re hard on everything, but we care immensely and at the same time, we can’t feel. We exist to be that agent of randomness that does the unexpected thing that saves everyone that one time in a thousand.

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I swear this is how I've gotten good at most of my hobbies. Playing guitar for 20 years has gotten me to a great level for a hobbyist, but not at all because of any virtues like discipline, self control, or routine. Rather, every day whenever other more important chores or duties loomed, I'd notice one of my guitars laying around, in my couch or my bed or leaning next to my desk. And most times, I'd give in. There's…

Man I wish I had a hobby like that instead of video games, lol.

(I'm very much into video games that scratch the same itch as software development does, but with games they give more instant gratification and they present you the next objective in a fairly structured fashion, but often without pressure. I've binged Factorio, now I'm back on Rimworld, where my people just do the tasks they are supposed to and only procrastinate when I allow it and / or when they have a mental breakdown from seeing too many dead bodies)

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I swear this is how I've gotten good at most of my hobbies. Playing guitar for 20 years has gotten me to a great level for a hobbyist, but not at all because of any virtues like discipline, self control, or routine. Rather, every day whenever other more important chores or duties loomed, I'd notice one of my guitars laying around, in my couch or my bed or leaning next to my desk. And most times, I'd give in. There's…

This is why "follow you passion" is terrible career advise. If you make your passion your work then it stops being your "passion". Much better career advise I've heard is: What kind you shit are you much better at suffering than other people around you seem to be? Because work is work. There's a reason you get paid to do it. Sure it might be something that you are good at and care about, but if you need to work on it…

This is what software development is for me; "just learn coding lol" is terrible career advice because it's simply not for everyone, just like management or marketing isn't for me.

I could do blue collar work, but preferably factory work.

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This article had a debilitating effect on one of the most talented engineers I've ever met. A charismatic force of nature, whose impact was tragically chaotic.

He read it as a teenager, and it became part of his personal philosophy. And so he used it to avoid feeling responsible for his own priorities, and struggled in every role he had for years.

He routinely derailed projects and created chaos by switching away from projects as soon as they became mission-critical. And he demanded an infuriating amount of managerial attention.

His absolute brilliance and charisma made this far worse, as his attitude was inherently culture-setting. The more impressionable employees around him would inevitably become worse than useless, while the more senior, mature employees ended up hating working with him despite his incredible impact on the thing he was paying attention to at a given moment.

Be convinced of this article's ideas at your own risk.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a classic pattern in adult ADHD. I had the same issue. Getting help is sometimes the most difficult step and it can change your life (and those of your loved ones) for the better.

Just the thought that I have to (i) find a doctor and then (ii) speak at length about myself and symptoms, is a massive deterrent. Then there are worries that I might get dependent on the medicines and /or my tendency to form whacky spontaneous connections between things (a trait that I find amusing and unwilling to lose). I know. I know, these are excuses. Thanks for the push.

I suspect I have ADD as well and did the same thing for the longest time, that is putting off getting help, but I have an initial appointment tomorrow to either confirm, or rule out, a diagnosis.

I ended up needing a nudge from someone else to finally get to it, so let this be a sign that you can do it too! ;)

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I feel like this seemed a plausible strategy when I first read it as a serial procrastinator struggling through university 17 years ago. Now, after many years of applying stuff like this successfully for a couple months only to immediately regress at the first sign of life disruption, after an ADHD diagnosis & a bunch of therapy, this all seems like a fairly immature avoidant coping strategy in retrospect. I'm now fa…

What's the "mature" coping strategy you've found, then? Did therapy get you to stop procrastinating?

Can’t speak for GP, but can speak to my own experiences with this. My friends euphemistically called me a productive procrastinator.

Via therapy I’ve come to realise that the procrastination is ultimately driven by underlying anxiety. That anxiety comes from growing up in an environment where my ADHD frequently resulted in me being punished for not working the same way other children did, not completing tasks as expected, and generally struggling with school work despite being “intelligent”. In short being in an environment that simply didn’t accept it was possible to be “intelligent” and struggle with school life at the same time, and thus punished me for being “lazy”.

The procrastination becomes a coping mechanism to put off the expected punishment from attempting to do a task, and failing/struggling with it. Along with deep associations with those tasks being given by authority figures and having arbitrary deadlines.

The mature coping mechanism has been to confront the anxiety head on, which is much easier said than done, and working on the underlying causes of the anxiety via therapy, mindfulness, and other pretty standard mental health techniques. It’s hard work, and I fail often, but I’ve been failing less and less as time goes on.

The side effect of dealing with the anxiety directly is less procrastination. Not because I’m better at not procrastinating, but simply because I’m getting better at coping and dealing with the anxiety that triggers procrastination.

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