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Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by rr808 »

kristianc wrote: post #95

The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…

There is some data privacy requirement in SK where application servers and data have to remain in the country. I worked for a big global bank and we had 4 main instances of our application: Americas, EMEA, Asia and South Korea.

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Post by chatmasta »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #240
kristianc wrote: post #95

The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…

The issue here is not refusing to use a foreign third party. That makes sense. The issue is mandating the use of remote storage and not backing it up. That’s insane. It’s like the most basic amount of preparation you do. It’s recommended to even the smallest of companies specifically because a fire is a risk. That’s gross mismanagement.

Nothing increases the risk of servers catching fire like government investigators showing up to investigate allegations that North Korea hacked the servers.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by chatmasta »

rr808 wrote: post #451
kristianc wrote: post #95

The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…

There is some data privacy requirement in SK where application servers and data have to remain in the country. I worked for a big global bank and we had 4 main instances of our application: Americas, EMEA, Asia and South Korea.

If only there were a second data center in South Korea where they could backup their data…

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by drnick1 »

_heimdall wrote: post #432
throwaway2037 wrote: post #372

At the very bottom of the article, I see this notice: > This article was originally written in Korean and translated by a bilingual reporter with the help of generative AI tools. It was then edited by a native English-speaking editor. All AI-assisted translations are reviewed and refined by our newsroom. I like that. It is direct and honest. I'm fine with people using LLMs for natural language related work, as long a…

That footnote does make me question the bilingual reporter's skills in both languages though. If the reporter needs an LLM to help translate they could easily be missing subtle mistranslations. The final note that all AI-assisted translations are reviewed by the newsroom is also interesting. If they are going to take the time to review it and have enough experience in both languages to verify the translation, why use…

> If they are going to take the time to review it and have enough experience in both languages to verify the translation, why use the LLM for it at all?

People generally read (and make minor edits if necessary) much faster than they can write.

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creakingstairs wrote: post #235

One of the workers jumped off a building. [1] They say the person was not being investigated for the incident. But I can’t help but think he was a put under intense pressure to be scapegoat for how fucked up Korea can be in situations like this. To be some context on Korea IT scene, you get pretty good pay and benefits if you work for a big product company, but will be treated like dogshit inside subcontracting hell…

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Post by perihelions »

aio2 wrote: post #52

Funny, because the same thing happened in Nepal a few weeks ago. Protestors/rioters burned some government buildings, along with the tech infrastructure within them, so now almost all electronic data is gone.

One source,

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/world/asia/nepal-unrest-a... ("Many of the nation’s public records were destroyed in the arson strikes, complicating efforts to provide basic health care")

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by covercash »

godelski wrote: post #410
covercash wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the US government and corporate executives had even half this level of shame, we'd have nobody left in those positions!

You should look at the previous president of SK. Maybe a few more too... they frequently land in jail... I'm not sure Yoon Suk Yeol had any shame https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Yoon_Suk_Yeol

I would also be fine with US politicians and corporate executives landing in jail. At this point, any consequences will be more than they currently face.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by hackernewds »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #372

At the very bottom of the article, I see this notice: > This article was originally written in Korean and translated by a bilingual reporter with the help of generative AI tools. It was then edited by a native English-speaking editor. All AI-assisted translations are reviewed and refined by our newsroom. I like that. It is direct and honest. I'm fine with people using LLMs for natural language related work, as long a…

why would you not be fine about it?

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Post by fragmede »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #405
throwaway2037 wrote: post #372

At the very bottom of the article, I see this notice: > This article was originally written in Korean and translated by a bilingual reporter with the help of generative AI tools. It was then edited by a native English-speaking editor. All AI-assisted translations are reviewed and refined by our newsroom. I like that. It is direct and honest. I'm fine with people using LLMs for natural language related work, as long a…

Especially since LLM tech was originally developed for translation. That’s the original reason so much work was done to create a model that could handle context and it turned out that was helpful in more areas than just translation. While LLM usage is just spinning up in other areas, for translation they have been doing this job well for over 5 years now.

Specifically, GNMT came out in 2016, which is 9 years ago.

GNMT used seq2seq with attention to do translations. GNMT plus some RNN and attention lead to transformers, and here we are today.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by kmeisthax »

jacquesm wrote: post #269
immibis wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ed25519 (and ec25519) are generally understood not to be backdoored by the NSA, or weak in any known sense. The lack of a backdoor can be proven by choosing parameters according to straightforward reasons that do not allow the possibility for the chooser to insert a backdoor. The curve25519 parameters have good reasons why they are chosen. By contrast, Dual_EC_DRBG contains two random-looking numbers, which the NSA p…

> but nobody's been able to break it, either. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It could well be that someone has been able to break it but that they or that organization did not publish.

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