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Should have given him back his stapler
I don't get it. Can you please explain the reference?
It’s a reference to the movie Office Space and the Milton character.
Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? You can easily encrypt your data before sending it for storage on on S3, for example.
You can encrypt them at rest, but data that lies encrypted and is never touched, is useless data. You need to decrypt them as well. Also, plenty of incompetent devops around, and writing a decryption toolchain can be difficult.
Am I missing something? If you ever need to use this data, obviously you transfer it back to your premises and then decrypt it. Whether it's stored at Amazon or North Korean Government Cloud makes no difference whatsoever if you encrypt before and decrypt after transfer.
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#154The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…
Rightfully did not trust these companies. Sure what happened is a disaster for them, but you cant simply trust Amazon & Microsoft.
S3 features have saved our bacon a number of times. Perhaps your experience and usage is different. They are worth trusting with business critical data as long as you're following their guidance. GCP though have not proven it, their data loss news is still fresh in my mind.
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#155It's hard to believe this happened. South Korea has tech giants like Samsung, and yet this is how the government runs? Is the US government any better?
The first thing that comes to mind when I think of the South Korean government is the storied tradition of physical confrontation in their parliament along with more than a few viral videos of brawls and such over the years. It used to be better in the US, but with the intensity of discord in our government lately, I don't think anyone really knows anymore.
> The first thing that comes to mind when I think of the South Korean government is the storied tradition of physical confrontation in their parliament along with more than a few viral videos of brawls and such over the years
You're thinking of Taiwan, not South Korea.
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#156I mean ... was making backups on the backlog at least? Can they at least point to the work item that was going to get done soonish ?
It got pushed a couple sprints and we've got it on the plan for next quarter as long as no new features come in before then.
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#157The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…
Because these companies never lose data, like during some lightning strikes, oh wait: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33989384 As a government you should not be putting your stuff in an environment under control of some other nation, period. That is a completely different issue and does not really relate to making backups.
>As a government you should not be putting your stuff in an environment under control of some other nation, period.
Why? If you encrypt it yourself before transfer, the only possible control some_other_nation will have over you or your data is availability.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? You can easily encrypt your data before sending it for storage on on S3, for example.
You can encrypt them at rest, but data that lies encrypted and is never touched, is useless data. You need to decrypt them as well. Also, plenty of incompetent devops around, and writing a decryption toolchain can be difficult.
Why write one when there are tools like “restic”?
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#159The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…
Agree completely that it's absolute wild to run such a system without backups. But at this point no government should keep critical data on foreign cloud storage.
Encrypted backups would have saved a lot of pain here
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#160The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…
Agree completely that it's absolute wild to run such a system without backups. But at this point no government should keep critical data on foreign cloud storage.
And yet here is an example where keeping critical data off public cloud storage has been significantly worse for them in the short term.
Not that they should just go all in on it, but an encrypted copy on S3 or GCS would seem really useful right about now.