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Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by monero-xmr »

sciencejerk wrote: post #55
monero-xmr wrote: post #37

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Alternatively, all middle class jobs do not require a college degree. Perhaps a college degree is primarily a signalling mechanism for adherence to a bygone era of societal norms. But the price is far too high to justify it, and the market will create alternative proof of societal norms, at a far cheaper price. Which is happening as we debate. My concern now is a large number of under-employed college graduates who a…

> You need to re-calibrate your ire to the correct target Who do you think is the correct target? Big institutions? The college system?

Definitely the colleges, which charge more year after year, burdening the young with debt for worthless pieces of paper.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by CuriouslyC »

throwaway290 wrote: post #69
CuriouslyC wrote: post #64

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This is a very bad faith comment from a throwaway account. Recognition of realities is different from wishing for things to occur. If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail.

Bad faith = trying to normalize bad faith behavior. > If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail. Posts like these = trying to stop unethical people from copyright (copyleft) washing. Telling people writing these posts that it's the new normal is basically saying they are doing pointless thing, while they are doing something very good

Stop being a coward and have a discussion with me with your real identity.

You can whine about something till you're dead, but incentives drive actions, full stop. Instead of whining about normalization, lobby lawmakers to make actual change and build tools to help creators detect the issue.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by trod1234 »

awesome_dude wrote: post #36
foxylad wrote: post #32

This will kill open source. Anything of value will be derived and re-derived and re-re-derived by bad players until no-one knows which package or library to trust. The fatal flaw of the open internet is that bad players can exploit with impunity. It happened with email, it happened with websites, it happened with search, and now it's happening with code. Greedy people spoil good things.

If this was true, why hasn't it happened for the last... 30 or 40 years that FOSS code has been published on the internet

Until now, people have had the leverage/cost asymmetry in their favor where they could easily differentiate and make rational choices.

AI has tipped that nuanced balance in a way that is both destructive, and unsustainable. Just like any other fraud or ponzi.

Cost/loss constraint function now favors the unskilled, blind, destructive individual running an LLM who spits on all those that act with good faith. Quite twisted.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by ares623 »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #67
ares623 wrote: post #63

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Game crackers can just claim they generated a completely different game using AI that just so happens to look very close to another game?

They could copy the core game mechanics and have AI launder the source and generate new art assets. Proving infringement is going to be basically impossible for all but the most trivial of cases.

The same could be done for movies too I guess. Probably easier.

One can setup a site to crowdsource laundering 8-10 second sections of an entire movie and then stitching it back.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by billy99k »

foxylad wrote: post #32

This will kill open source. Anything of value will be derived and re-derived and re-re-derived by bad players until no-one knows which package or library to trust. The fatal flaw of the open internet is that bad players can exploit with impunity. It happened with email, it happened with websites, it happened with search, and now it's happening with code. Greedy people spoil good things.

This was always the case with open source. It's not that hard to obfuscate code in compiled binaries.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by adastra22 »

ebcode wrote: post #2

not hard to believe. I’ve been using claude code and am hesitant to publish publicly because I’m concerned about copyright violations. It would be nice if there were a registry (besides github) where I could compare “new” code against public repositories.

Why? That’s not how copyright works.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by Amekedl »

smj-edison wrote: post #14
userbinator wrote: post #6

Hopefully the spread of AI will make more people realise that everything is a derivative work. If it wasn't an AI, it was a human standing on the shoulders of giants.

Yeah, this is where I find the copyright argument a little weak. Because how do artisans learn their craft? By observing others' work. Instead, I feel like the objections are (rightly) these two issues: 1. GenAI operates at a much larger scale than an individual artist. I don't think artists would have an issue with someone commissioning a portrait say in the style Van Gogh (copyright argument). They would have an is…

No, this "observing" argument has already been beaten to death by a multitude of creatives explaining way better than I could how they learn and operate.

If you really think all they do is observe, form a gradient from millions of samples and spit out some approximations, you are deeply mistaken.

You cannot equate human learning with how genai learns (and if it did, we'd have agi already imao)

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by throwaway290 »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #72
throwaway290 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad faith = trying to normalize bad faith behavior. > If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail. Posts like these = trying to stop unethical people from copyright (copyleft) washing. Telling people writing these posts that it's the new normal is basically saying they are doing pointless thing, while they are doing something very good

Stop being a coward and have a discussion with me with your real identity. You can whine about something till you're dead, but incentives drive actions, full stop. Instead of whining about normalization, lobby lawmakers to make actual change and build tools to help creators detect the issue.

1 Stop telling me what to do

2 The incentives is to steal and rampage and rape. Some incentives deserve to die in fire, period. To change incentives we punish people or change people. Posts like these help

I think trying to shut up these efforts by saying this is "normal" is only done by people in that industry or invested in it who profit from this disaster

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