The Americans (†) who grew up with constant surveillance (social media, cameras everywhere) aim for ordinariness. The entire generation is less likely to express a non-consensus opinion than prior generations. For good reason: with everything being recorded and broadcast, personal errors are both accentuated and persist longer with no corresponding rise in upside. Bold opinions and creative ideas are simply too risky…
Social Cooling (2017)
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Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#62You don’t need some kind of “social score” to have the chilling effect, if anything I think people self censor more because of the fear of getting berated by others for their beliefs—both by those they know and don’t. Interestingly I don’t think it’s really “cooling” that happened - if anything it’s been some people becoming extremely hot, and then the majority of people, myself included, are experiencing cooling. Un…
(People still using platforms : the likes of Facebook, Discord, LinkedIn, Github, or ChatGPT being amongst the ones that undermine democratic ideals and that ought to be socially shamed, and, in some cases, beaten up.)
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if I should upvote or downvote you, and what that will say about my HN profile to “big data analyses”
It doesn't matter. If you vote on politics a lot, a moderator will set your account so the votes don't do anything. HN is the illusion of user-generated content.
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#64I honestly love this as someone who never has a consistent identity in terms of the name I use online and not keeping a long history such as re-creating accounts whenever it is convenient. This is especially relevant on social media platforms where I don't want to feel like someone can just dig up something I've said or shared 5 years ago and use that against me. It also helps me stay myself without changing my behav…
For this you need to change more than just account. The way you write is your fingerprint. Concrete example with HN accounts was posted and tried several times.
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#65I honestly love this as someone who never has a consistent identity in terms of the name I use online and not keeping a long history such as re-creating accounts whenever it is convenient. This is especially relevant on social media platforms where I don't want to feel like someone can just dig up something I've said or shared 5 years ago and use that against me. It also helps me stay myself without changing my behav…
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well this has to do with the simple fact that social media reduces the reach of posts containing certain of those words. So if you want to talk about them and reach people.. I wish those outraged with liberal "cancel-culture" would actually care about free speech, instead of only wh3n it suits their narratives.
There’s a variant of “cancel culture” that’s actually just trial by publicity and I think that’s objectively a bad thing. But often, people in social media are just looking for attention by deliberately inciting outrage, posting their “hot takes” and making controversial statements—and then when other people with opposing views reply to disagree, the original posters start crying about “cancel culture” when, in fact,…
I doubt that even something as 'light' on that spectrum as Hacker News is worthwhile enough compared to the non-social-media alternatives. (As a reminder, you can have a tree-like discussion structure without an upvote system.)
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#67You don’t need some kind of “social score” to have the chilling effect, if anything I think people self censor more because of the fear of getting berated by others for their beliefs—both by those they know and don’t. Interestingly I don’t think it’s really “cooling” that happened - if anything it’s been some people becoming extremely hot, and then the majority of people, myself included, are experiencing cooling. Un…
If you have a better solution to the paradox of tolerance, I'm all ears. (People still using platforms : the likes of Facebook, Discord, LinkedIn, Github, or ChatGPT being amongst the ones that undermine democratic ideals and that ought to be socially shamed, and, in some cases, beaten up.)
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#68"Social Cooling", censorship, and self-censorship is a big reason why Trump is in office.
If they felt safe, perhaps more of them would have appreciated the other side's arguments (and vice versa, obviously).
Is that what you meant? Or why did self-censorship help get Trump into power twice?
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#69The Americans (†) who grew up with constant surveillance (social media, cameras everywhere) aim for ordinariness. The entire generation is less likely to express a non-consensus opinion than prior generations. For good reason: with everything being recorded and broadcast, personal errors are both accentuated and persist longer with no corresponding rise in upside. Bold opinions and creative ideas are simply too risky…
Recently, when we were talking about him, we realised his school years are far less dramatic than ours. We had drama, lots of bullying, tears, fights, and mean things were done.
In contrast, his son’s school days are absolutely harmless and benign.
I know it’s n = 1 and maybe we were very unlucky back then. But it also makes me wonder if any chaotic experience is worth having.
Re: Social Cooling (2017)
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not specifically far-right thing. The left are snitching and doxing people for the last decade if not longer.
PyCon was the turning point. I used to have accounts under my real name in Slashdot etc. before then.