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Heavy codes of conduct are unnecessary for open source projects

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Re: Heavy codes of conduct are unnecessary for open source projects

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Post by thrance »

ranger_danger wrote: post #206
kelnos wrote: post #152

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> The actual divisive issue is whether people who say they are the opposite sex to what they really are should be granted access to spaces that are designated for the sole use of the opposite sex. And of course that shouldn't matter for an online virtual space. But that's unfortunately not it. There are many many people who believe that being trans isn't real, and that anyone who claims to be trans has a mental illne…

> It's not a "political stance" to say that people should I think trying to tell people what they should or shouldn't do is kindof the definition of politics.

Full quote:

> It's not a "political stance" to say that people should call others by their preferred name and pronouns. It's just basic human decency to do that,

You're fighting for the right to be a dick to people for no other reasons than because you are prejudiced against them. Frankly, that sounds rather pathetic, maybe do a little introspection?

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Post by The_President »

satisfice wrote: post #19

I want a code of conduct that explicitly allows debate, disagreement, and normalizes hurting other people’s feelings with your words. What matters is that people are operating in good faith. I would also say that IF you have been accepted as a member of a community then you and your feelings must matter to that community unless and until you are ejected from the community. There needs to be a system for accepting and…

I got a thread closed on KDE last year in order to protect the “feelings” of the devs, after joining the side against the removal of ksysguard in favor of their inferior System Monitor. If they’re willing to end discussion over a product they screwed up, rhetorically, what else are they doing over there at KDE in bad faith?

Re: Heavy codes of conduct are unnecessary for open source projects

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Post by The_President »

arresin wrote: post #128

My theory is that this is designed to kill open source.

I’ve been wondering why there seems to be bugs in “everything” these days, and I am seeing this has some to do with the coddling of non-talented programmers in the wake of this activisim.

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Post by EnergyAmy »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #259
EnergyAmy wrote: post #258

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We were discussing you, not me. Are We going to Chat?

I'm not asking for a chat. I'm asking for an example of a genuine discussion on the aforementioned topic. It's unclear while, being clearly unable to provide one, you don't seem to acknowledge that.

Does talking about this bother you?

Re: Heavy codes of conduct are unnecessary for open source projects

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Post by kelseyfrog »

EnergyAmy wrote: post #264
kelseyfrog wrote: post #259

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I'm not asking for a chat. I'm asking for an example of a genuine discussion on the aforementioned topic. It's unclear while, being clearly unable to provide one, you don't seem to acknowledge that.

Does talking about this bother you?

I just don't understand why. Is this what winning looks like to you or something?

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Post by port11 »

mitchbob wrote: post #212
port11 wrote: post #190

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I'm the ‘enforcer’ of a fairly large board games meetup, and the CoC is very simple: there's 3 rules. Newcomers are especially likely to ignore some of these rules, so I notify them the first 2 times. 3rd strike and they're out. What I like about the simplicity of our CoC is that anyone can read it in a few seconds, and we can point it out to people without seeming bureaucratic or annoying. Happy to share with others…

Yes, please share. Can you post a link to your CoC?

No need for a link, it's about board games and the rules are (paraphrasing):

1. If you can't make it, let the host know the day before or morning of the event.

2. If you're playing at a venue, try to buy food or drinks from the venue. Don't bring lots of stuff from the outside.

3. Be kind and respect other people. Don't damage their games or act mean towards other players.

We're not super strict, but people have been perma-banned for sexually suggestive remarks or being assholes. I think we've had 3 or 4 really bad cases total. Most people get temporarily kicked out for violating rule #1 a lot.

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Post by EnergyAmy »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #265
EnergyAmy wrote: post #264

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Does talking about this bother you?

I just don't understand why. Is this what winning looks like to you or something?

Tell me more about that. I'm not sure I understand you fully.

Re: Heavy codes of conduct are unnecessary for open source projects

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Post by kelseyfrog »

EnergyAmy wrote: post #267
kelseyfrog wrote: post #265

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I just don't understand why. Is this what winning looks like to you or something?

Tell me more about that. I'm not sure I understand you fully.

I'm sorry, I don't believe you anymore.

Based on your responses I have concluded that your original comment about bad faith was a projection. I'd love to learn more about what caused you to be this way. Whether you intend to or not, your comments constitute trolling and ultimately lower the quality of HN.

Re: Heavy codes of conduct are unnecessary for open source projects

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Post by EnergyAmy »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #268
EnergyAmy wrote: post #267

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Tell me more about that. I'm not sure I understand you fully.

I'm sorry, I don't believe you anymore. Based on your responses I have concluded that your original comment about bad faith was a projection. I'd love to learn more about what caused you to be this way. Whether you intend to or not, your comments constitute trolling and ultimately lower the quality of HN.

Is something troubling you? What are your feelings now?
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