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Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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> Two days ago I got my Dell XPS 13 as part of a Dell beta progam called project Sputnik.

This makes it unclear if I can actually buy this thing (in Europe).

>I got a special version of Ubuntu, with some kernel patches, and some patched packages for sleep and hibernation.

Why isn't this in the official Ubuntu distro? I don't trust binaries from Dell.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Anything Lenovo based in Intel preferable with internal graphics.

I have heard that Intel Atoms with internal graphics should be avoided since the graphics on those is not actually Intel's doing, though my eeepc with an Atom/internal graphics works fine.. maybe I got lucky. I wouldn't recommend getting a Lenovo with an Atom anyway though, if they even sell anything with Atoms (mostly just from a "If you are going to spend money, spend some money" standpoint.

I'd just buy a second hand Intel core based lenovo rather than a new atom one. The market is saturated with Lenovo kit so it's very cheap.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Why are people voting up this article? There is nothing interesting in it. I'm genuinely curious about what people are finding interesting here.

My guess would be "In your face, Apple!" being one of the reasons. The need for this attitude is beyond my comprehension.

Based on the number of apple-negative articles recently, i think apple have subconciously hurt a number of people here rather than it being an in your face attitude.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Look at the new Lenovo Carbon X1 - from what I've heard it pretty much ticks all of those boxes.

Anything Lenovo usually does. I've got a T61 and an X220 tablet here which everything in Ubuntu 12.04 works fine. The only problem I've had was connecting to an SSTP VPN but that was resolved easily with an ssh tunnel.

I'm thinking it depends on your graphics card. I have the nvs 8400m in me T61 and it's giving a heck of a lot of problems. For example, connecting an external screen means fudging with the xconf. Also screen brightness doesnt work.

Probably all the fault of the proprietary drivers, so it just goes to show that you'll have to pick your laptop wisely if you want Linux running on it.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Fingerprinter - same questions for you on the Lenovo x220 you use 1. What's the battery life like? 2. Are all devices supported with drivers - Bluetooth, 3D, graphics, sleep/wake, 802.11n, webcam, internal mike, ... 3. Does it do instant sleep/wake like a Mac - 100s of times without crashing/rebooting? 4. How does it handle external displays? Plug and play like a Mac? Does it handle display rotate? The internal displ…

> 1. What's the battery life like? Very typical to get 6-7hrs. If I turn down brightness and don't use power hungry apps (Chrome, Firefox), 7-9hrs. > 2. Are all devices supported with drivers - Bluetooth, 3D, graphics, sleep/wake, 802.11n, webcam, internal mike, ... Everything works out of the box. I haven't had to tweak a thing. I don't game at all, though, so I can't speak to the 3D in games. > 3. Does it do instan…

Another vote for the x220. I Have the tablet version, and some of the tablet stuff isn't perfect yet. But I mainly use it as a laptop, for which it is solid since 12.04.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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1. What's the battery life like? 2. Are all devices supported with drivers - Bluetooth, 3D, graphics, sleep/wake, 802.11n, webcam, internal mike, ... 3. Does it do instant sleep/wake like a Mac - 100s of times without crashing/rebooting? 4. How does it handle external displays? Plug and play like a Mac? Does it handle display rotate? The internal display is only 1366x768 ? 5. Does it detect a headphone and switch fro…

I have a cheap Acer 7741G. So I answer your questions for this generic hardware I bought from ebay.

1. Not good but not much worse than on windows.

2. It doesn't have builtin bluetooth but my $2 usb bluetooth dongle from ebay works. 3D with fglrx and the open source driver works. Wifi speed is not that great with 6 Megabyte/s but it's faster than 54 mbit wifi so I guess it works. The webcam used to work but not at the moment. I think I disabled it myself. I have to investigate that. I don't know what mike is but the microphone works of course.

3. Suspend doesn't work with amd's proprietary driver unless I boot with nopat. That's 100% amd's fault. With the open source driver it works out of the box as expected. Putting it to sleep and waking up is not instant but less than two seconds, so good enough for me.

4. xrandr --output LVDS --preferred --output DFP1 --preferred --left-of LVDS --primary --rotate normal Does what I expect it to do. Of course --rotate right etc. works too. Why shouldn't it? It was nvidia that refused to implement the freedesktop randr standard but recently they finally got it together and implemented it.

5. Yes.

6. I don't know. It's not great but ok. I have no problem with it.

7. See 6. You could just use linux on your macbook if you'd like the keyboard/touchpad...

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Actually - no offense - I'm looking for specific info on the drivers on this system than a generic response. I've heard far too often 'depends on driver/acpi support' to go down that road again :) Which specific system are you basing your answers on? Can you be more specific on (6) - how many points does the multitouch support?

For Thinkpads what you list under 2) will usually work without hiccups. Generally, Intel is very good with its driver support, so try to pick a laptop with Intel WiFi & GPU. Depending on your needs you may want an nVidia or ATI GPU though. Can't say anything on multitouch with the Touchpad, since I don't use it.

Keywords: usually, generally, depending, can't say.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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1. What's the battery life like? 2. Are all devices supported with drivers - Bluetooth, 3D, graphics, sleep/wake, 802.11n, webcam, internal mike, ... 3. Does it do instant sleep/wake like a Mac - 100s of times without crashing/rebooting? 4. How does it handle external displays? Plug and play like a Mac? Does it handle display rotate? The internal display is only 1366x768 ? 5. Does it detect a headphone and switch fro…

I use Linux on a VM, running under OSX. OSX is ... finicky ... with dev tools. Apple does the compilers, and the bolt-on distributions (brew, Macports, fink) seem to have trouble keeping things compatible. Linux distributions don't end up falling behing their own compilers every time the compiler gets updated. I'd rather stay off the bleeding edge compilers, and have everything just work. There is the "Apple tax", bu…

I can really recommend having an i7/64Gb desktop with native Linux OS as your primary development environment. It is like 20x faster than a Macbook Pro/8Gb with Linux VM.

And you could keep your Macbook Air for looks [and ssh to that box] ;)

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