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Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by jesterson »

mdhb wrote: post #27
jesterson wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I am not a Thiel fan, calling someone a fascist is a pretty bold accusation. Hope you can substantiate your stance.

I think the onus is on you at this point to go and actually read about what he has done in the last ten years. It’s not up to someone else to spoon feed it to you.

I would consider myself fairly informed with what he has done in the last 10 years. And while I don't like some of it, nothing of that can remotely be used to justify calling him a "fascist".

It's expected you can't substantiate your words. Easy escape blaming someone else isn't it?

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by jesterson »

kreetx wrote: post #30
mdhb wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the onus is on you at this point to go and actually read about what he has done in the last ten years. It’s not up to someone else to spoon feed it to you.

Though it's only the name callers who know "what he has done". You should at least try make your case if you want to convince someone else.

He knows he can't so he tries to blame everyone else.

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by dangus »

congratsbot wrote: post #13
dangus wrote: post #7

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I have said this a few times and it goes somewhat against the grain but Peter Thiel is just another idiot with too much money and not enough people around him pushing back on his dumb ideas. We as the working class shouldn’t be afraid of him, that’s what he wants. I also did some rough napkin math on his net worth and he’s barely more successful than the S&P 500. His two big breaks were getting lucky with PayPal and…

It doesn't matter if Palantir products "kinda suck", they get bulk data from governments around the world. You are already in a Palantir database.

I acknowledge that they aren’t exactly doing the Lord’s work.

But really what I’m saying is detached from that. I’m saying that they are a run of the mill government contractor. If it wasn’t them it would be someone else or maybe it would even be software developed in-house.

Peter Thiel isn’t some kind of evil genius Bond villain for deciding to leave the ruthless competition of the private sector where you actually need to deliver a good product and instead live off of government contracts where vendor choices are more limited.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Target had more sophisticated data profiling tools than Palantir.

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

#34

Post by mdhb »

jesterson wrote: post #31
mdhb wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the onus is on you at this point to go and actually read about what he has done in the last ten years. It’s not up to someone else to spoon feed it to you.

I would consider myself fairly informed with what he has done in the last 10 years. And while I don't like some of it, nothing of that can remotely be used to justify calling him a "fascist". It's expected you can't substantiate your words. Easy escape blaming someone else isn't it?

Listen, I’m going to be honest with you, when you say that you’re well informed and it’s just everyone else overreacting I don’t believe you.

But I’m happy to be proved wrong so why don’t you go ahead and show me by giving your best faith interpretation as to why you think someone might call him a fascist.

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by mdhb »

kreetx wrote: post #30
mdhb wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the onus is on you at this point to go and actually read about what he has done in the last ten years. It’s not up to someone else to spoon feed it to you.

Though it's only the name callers who know "what he has done". You should at least try make your case if you want to convince someone else.

You’ve just completely made up something here to presumably make yourself feel smart? Literally tens of thousands of words have been published on this topic. Asking someone to read them isn’t some unreasonable request.

What is unreasonable is turning up in a discussion and saying either none of that pre-existing material counts for nothing or that I shouldn’t have to do any work here and instead you should “debate me bro”.

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

#36

Post by congratsbot »

dangus wrote: post #33
congratsbot wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter if Palantir products "kinda suck", they get bulk data from governments around the world. You are already in a Palantir database.

I acknowledge that they aren’t exactly doing the Lord’s work. But really what I’m saying is detached from that. I’m saying that they are a run of the mill government contractor. If it wasn’t them it would be someone else or maybe it would even be software developed in-house. Peter Thiel isn’t some kind of evil genius Bond villain for deciding to leave the ruthless competition of the private sector where you actually…

This misses the motive. PT is motivated by way more than money and his goals are entirely undemocractic. Target's data profiling is banal greed and myopia, while it constructs an apparatus that is dystopian, PT has dystopian goals.

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by Refreeze5224 »

jesterson wrote: post #20
Refreeze5224 wrote: post #16

I really have no interest in what this fascist has to say. He has said enough for any thinking person to know what he believes and wants.

While I am not a Thiel fan, calling someone a fascist is a pretty bold accusation. Hope you can substantiate your stance.

After seeing some of your other arguments down-thread, I will not be engaging with this comment as it's clearly not in good faith. As others have said, go read what he's said, and what he's done, and if you don't see a fascist, then take a hard look in the mirror. Then maybe see if you can understand why he is also an authoritarian oligarch. Reading his own words and actions will tell you that too.

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

poloniculmov wrote: post #26
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #14

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I’ve yet to hear a cogent argument as to why a one world government is not the ideal.

It would have too much power so all the psychos in the world would do everything to get elected.

So what’s the “right” amount of power

Seems like we’re way beyond the point of no return on the concept that humanity has consistent needs and that individual freedom should be limited for the good of the larger group

The arbitrary nature of the “larger group” being limited in scope is entirely ethno-socially constructed.

So again wouldn’t the idealized form of this live at the highest level of human coherence such that there is a singular ethnicity (“human”) that has consistent rules applied to it no matter where you go on the planet?

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by duxup »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #14
Jtsummers wrote: post #6

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Mostly because he keeps talking about it. He recently put on a lecture series about it, and seems to think that Greta Thunberg is going to create a one world government.

I’ve yet to hear a cogent argument as to why a one world government is not the ideal.

I think having lots of countries allows for more opportunity to find out what works or doesn't.

Re: Peter Thiel Essay on the Antichrist, One Piece, and More

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Post by mdhb »

mdhb wrote: post #34
jesterson wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would consider myself fairly informed with what he has done in the last 10 years. And while I don't like some of it, nothing of that can remotely be used to justify calling him a "fascist". It's expected you can't substantiate your words. Easy escape blaming someone else isn't it?

Listen, I’m going to be honest with you, when you say that you’re well informed and it’s just everyone else overreacting I don’t believe you. But I’m happy to be proved wrong so why don’t you go ahead and show me by giving your best faith interpretation as to why you think someone might call him a fascist.

Imagine my and everyone else’s surprise to hear your silence on this one a full day later… couldn’t have seen that coming a mile away but go on and tell me more about how it’s on everyone else to do the hard work and convince you with detailed arguments. Heaven forbid you had to lift a finger here yourself.
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