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Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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It's not just Facebook and Google. "The IA’s founding membership consists of Google, Facebook, eBay, Rackspace, Zynga, IAC, TripAdvisor, Yahoo, LinkedIn, Monster Worldwide, salesforce.com, AOL, and Expedia."

and Amazon, the writer seemed to have missed that one...

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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It would be refreshing if this industry group took a firm stand against the Great Firewall of China and other national government efforts to censor the Internet. I wonder if that is part of their agenda, as is implied by the main page headings? I tried to look up the privacy platform page, but got a 502 Bad Gateway error just now. They evidently still have both reliability and usability issues to fix on the associati…

>> information should flow freely across national borders, uninhibited by tariffs, regulations and government censorship Funny that they qualify it as government censorship. Because everyone knows that Facebook will censor the crap out of anything they find objectionable. Just a week ago they banned a cartoon of Adam and Eve because it contained nipples. http://tinyurl.com/d5tqnhk

It isn't a violation of free speech for a private publisher or forum to deny you publishing rights on their platform.

Facebook is a private playground. They are allowed complete discretion over what they allow and don't allow on their private network, and this isn't a problem because you can stop using it at any time.

It is much harder to "stop using" your country of citizenship, which is why many people feel that governments should be held to a much higher standard of openness, accountability and freedom.

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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post #32

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>> information should flow freely across national borders, uninhibited by tariffs, regulations and government censorship Funny that they qualify it as government censorship. Because everyone knows that Facebook will censor the crap out of anything they find objectionable. Just a week ago they banned a cartoon of Adam and Eve because it contained nipples. http://tinyurl.com/d5tqnhk

It isn't a violation of free speech for a private publisher or forum to deny you publishing rights on their platform. Facebook is a private playground. They are allowed complete discretion over what they allow and don't allow on their private network, and this isn't a problem because you can stop using it at any time. It is much harder to "stop using" your country of citizenship, which is why many people feel that go…

That's true from a legal standpoint, but it's still a double standard in principles.

edit: again, not sure why people are downvoting without explaining why.

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't a violation of free speech for a private publisher or forum to deny you publishing rights on their platform. Facebook is a private playground. They are allowed complete discretion over what they allow and don't allow on their private network, and this isn't a problem because you can stop using it at any time. It is much harder to "stop using" your country of citizenship, which is why many people feel that go…

That's true from a legal standpoint, but it's still a double standard in principles. edit: again, not sure why people are downvoting without explaining why.

I want you to be able to say whatever you'd like no matter how horrible without fear of government censorship; however, I will not let you use my printing press, blog, etc to do it.

There is nothing inconsistent with this.

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't a violation of free speech for a private publisher or forum to deny you publishing rights on their platform. Facebook is a private playground. They are allowed complete discretion over what they allow and don't allow on their private network, and this isn't a problem because you can stop using it at any time. It is much harder to "stop using" your country of citizenship, which is why many people feel that go…

That's true from a legal standpoint, but it's still a double standard in principles. edit: again, not sure why people are downvoting without explaining why.

I disagree. Should the New York Times leave their front door open and allow anyone to walk in off the street and write an un-vetted opinion piece and place it on the front page of tomorrow's paper? That would be ridiculous.

I don't see how you could then turn around and claim that NYT supporting freedom of speech is in any way a double standard. They aren't preventing you from creating your own paper, in which you can say whatever you like. When the government limits your speech, you don't have that option.

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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It would be refreshing if this industry group took a firm stand against the Great Firewall of China and other national government efforts to censor the Internet. I wonder if that is part of their agenda, as is implied by the main page headings? I tried to look up the privacy platform page, but got a 502 Bad Gateway error just now. They evidently still have both reliability and usability issues to fix on the associati…

> a firm stand against the Great Firewall of China

GFW could censor stuff using QoS discrimination. Un-welcome sites has really bad connection. How do you deal with that?

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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It would be refreshing if this industry group took a firm stand against the Great Firewall of China and other national government efforts to censor the Internet. I wonder if that is part of their agenda, as is implied by the main page headings? I tried to look up the privacy platform page, but got a 502 Bad Gateway error just now. They evidently still have both reliability and usability issues to fix on the associati…

Exactly. I remember thinking when all of the big tech companies were asked by the Indian Government to give them access to some data or censor some posts (don't remember the details). But they pretty much all agreed, because they were too afraid they'd be the only company refusing. But if they all joined together to oppose it, I don't think there's much the Government could've done.

Same thing with China. Google suffered and still suffers the consequences of going against their government then. They should've allied with other companies first before deciding to pull out of China.

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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post #19

It's not just Facebook and Google. "The IA’s founding membership consists of Google, Facebook, eBay, Rackspace, Zynga, IAC, TripAdvisor, Yahoo, LinkedIn, Monster Worldwide, salesforce.com, AOL, and Expedia."

So what big name internet companies aren't a part of this? I notice there's no microsoft, anybody else?

I guess Microsoft doens't think of itself as an "Internet company", and they've often been on the other side of bills such as SOPA, etc, at least before the backlash.

Re: Facebook and Google launch lobbying group, The Internet Association

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what big name internet companies aren't a part of this? I notice there's no microsoft, anybody else?

I guess Microsoft doens't think of itself as an "Internet company", and they've often been on the other side of bills such as SOPA, etc, at least before the backlash.

It makes sense if you consider where their main revenues come from: Windows and Office, desktop products. Windows 8 features tighter integration with Internet services, but by and large they are firmly rooted in the idea that your desktop should be doing computation locally. The minute Microsoft calls itself an Internet company is the day that desktop software goes the way of the dinosaur.
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