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Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by piskov »

That’s some far fetched piece (based on what is above the paywall).

For jets argument you must first understand where Kaliningrad is: something akin to Alaska for US — open the map to see what European countries are invariably in between.

Even if they crossed momentarily the air border (though there was no objective visual proof from either side, which is why the story died), supersonic jet is not like crusing at 20 mph: if you sway for several seconds you can easily graze some border. It is unprofessional but not impossible.

As for a few drones: the key word is undentified.

Yet the piece is titled: Europe is under Russian Attack. Meh

Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by saubeidl »

blargthorwars wrote: post #8

Europe is buying billions of Russian gas and petrochemicals. https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/ The first step when finding yourself in a hole is to stop digging.

This is what Wendelstein and Iter are for. It's still gonna take a bit, unfortunately. In the meantime, all we can do is continue renewable buildout.

Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by [deleted] »

js8 wrote: post #21
NicoJuicy wrote: post #14

Armchair analysis: Germany is preparing for war and all of Europe is asking them. Well, this won't end well for Russia. Germany is one of the biggest industrial producers in the world.

Unless we deescalate this won't end well for anyone. Except maybe mil-ind complex shareholders.

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Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by scotty79 »

fraboniface wrote: post #11

How do you (especially Europeans) understand this move from Russia? Can it really sustain a war against us? Does it want to break NATO by proving the US won't move?

Russia haven't made a single smart or gainful action since 2022. I understand it as more of sadly now customary stupidity.

Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by saubeidl »

js8 wrote: post #17

I am not sure what European "leaders" expected. Many of them support Ukraine militarily in the war, so yes, EU is in fact in war with Russia, through Ukraine as a proxy. I oppose the military support to Ukraine. I think it's responsibility of the stronger party, here NATO, to seek deescalation. I also disapprove that the military support for Ukraine was decided undemocratically, without any consideration whether this…

I think if Europe was actually at war with Russia, Moscow would have been reduced to rubble.

They talk a big game, but their economy is smaller than Italy's!

Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by fastball »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #22
blargthorwars wrote: post #8

Europe is buying billions of Russian gas and petrochemicals. https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/ The first step when finding yourself in a hole is to stop digging.

Except they can't. Europe is struggling with soaring energy costs and a lack of alternatives. Whether it's red tape or unfortunate geography, Europe cannot afford to turn off the Russian gas tap. A benevolent US would see this and find ways to bridge the gap for Europe and lower its energy costs, further choking Russia. A less benevolent US would see this and encourage it to continue, weakening both parties and sowin…

Feels kinda like you're removing Europe's agency here. "Red tape" is just another way of saying "terrible policy decisions for decades". If they dug themselves into a hole before, what's to stop them from doing it again when after you help them fill in the hole a little bit?

Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by slaw »

scotty79 wrote: post #20
blargthorwars wrote: post #8

Europe is buying billions of Russian gas and petrochemicals. https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/ The first step when finding yourself in a hole is to stop digging.

What part of this is Hungary and such?

That is mostly Germany. Once Germany stops buying oil from Russia other countries will be forced to stop too.

Re: Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack

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Post by internet_points »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #22
blargthorwars wrote: post #8

Europe is buying billions of Russian gas and petrochemicals. https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/ The first step when finding yourself in a hole is to stop digging.

Except they can't. Europe is struggling with soaring energy costs and a lack of alternatives. Whether it's red tape or unfortunate geography, Europe cannot afford to turn off the Russian gas tap. A benevolent US would see this and find ways to bridge the gap for Europe and lower its energy costs, further choking Russia. A less benevolent US would see this and encourage it to continue, weakening both parties and sowin…

A less intelligent US currently encourages the EU to stop investments in wind/solar
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