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These numbers are just false. Even the Hamas numbers are 10x less than this!
Who is left in Gaza to count or report all the dead? The people who die of famine? Official numbers have increased by less than 20.000 in the last year of genocide. Isn't that curious?
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What are the numbers then?
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The page you linked seems to only include deaths where the name of the person is known. Who is left in Gaza to count or report the dead?
Two numbers on the effectiveness of that strategy: 680.000 and 380.000. The total number of Palestinians murdered, and the number of those who were kids under 5 years old. source: https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/
These numbers are just false. Even the Hamas numbers are 10x less than this!
Maybe it helps to start smaller. Many (Israeli's) have told me that the IDF is the world's most 'honest' military - one that even warns buildings before they're bombed!
Then, you can imagine how difficult it was for me to reconcile that with many facts from the ground. Here's one. Only one. The Rafah paramedic massacre:
"Israel at first claimed that the medics' vehicles did not have emergency signals on when troops opened fire but later backtracked. Cellphone video recovered from one of the medics contradicted Israel's initial account."[0]
Is that a one-off lie?
0: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5370617/israeli-probe-k...
I expected better from HN.
We can study why this happened later. The genocide needs to stop now.
Two numbers on the effectiveness of that strategy: 680.000 and 380.000. The total number of Palestinians murdered, and the number of those who were kids under 5 years old. source: https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/
These numbers are just false. Even the Hamas numbers are 10x less than this!
Reuters estimates the deaths at 60,000 [ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestini... ]
The UN estimates it to be at about 65,000 [ https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaz... ]
Neither of which are around 600 thousand as the previous commenter posted. The French News Channel called France24 did a quick video explaining the current fake news that certain NGOs are spreading with misleading death counts -- https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20250624-...
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These numbers are just false. Even the Hamas numbers are 10x less than this!
I'm not sure why you're being down-voted... But here's two credible sources: Reuters estimates the deaths at 60,000 [ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestini... ] The UN estimates it to be at about 65,000 [ https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaz... ] Neither of which are around 600 thousand as the previous commenter posted. The French News Channel called France24 did a quick…
Also "These numbers are just false" is not a valid argument.
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> It's war initiated by Hamas Takes two to tango. Hamas started the war. Israel has continued it way past where it made sense. (No later than after Sinwar was killed.)
> way past where it made sense. If they don't destroy Hamas now, then a war will happen again in another 10 years. At which point 10s of thousands of palestinians will needlessly die, again. The only resolution to all of this, will happen when Hamas is completely disarmed and out of power. You can criticize how Israel goes about achieving that goal. But that goal is the only one that gets to a real, permanent peace.
1) As long as Israel treats Palestinians the way they current do, there will always be another Hamas. That or completely remove Palestinians from the area, which seems to be the current goal. So no, completely destroying hamas is not the only way to get to a real permanent peace.
2) How Israel is going about things is the exact issue at hand. You can't just hand wave it away.
3) Let's say for the sake of argument destroying Hamas IS the only way to achieve long lasting peace, how much death and destruction does it justify? 10% of the population? 20%? 50%?. So again just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.