How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized • Hacker News Board

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by throwaway290 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:16 PM UTC

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #220

KittenInABox wrote: post #93

Question: There is a repeated claim that more calories have been provided to the Gaza people than several other human crisis scenarios, but that Hamas is currently stealing it all. But I have never seen rampant obesity in Hamas prisoners that the IDF have captured alive? Hamas can't be extorting the Gazan people for those calories, the Gazan people have no money at this point by and large due to the huge swath of des…

> Question: There is a repeated claim that more calories have been provided to the Gaza people than several other human crisis scenarios, but that Hamas is currently stealing it all. This claim is made by supporters of the war _outside of Israel_ for external consumption. If you look at what the Israeli cabinet, generals and politicians are saying for internal consumption... it's pretty deliberate.

UN data, compare numbers "arrived" and "intercepted": https://app.un2720.org/tracking

are you saying un supports the war then?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by jameshilliard » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:16 PM UTC

chollida1 wrote: post #235

starik36 wrote: post #97

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I can't believe I'm weighing in on a political thread, but the "deal" is very one sided. It offers very little for the Palestinians in terms of creating their own country and ability to self govern and gives Israel pretty much everything they want including some control over Palestine. The current "peace deal" is terrible for the Palestinians. No other country would sign it either.

> the "deal" is very one sided

This is pretty much one should expect when one starts and loses a war, same as with the surrender of Nazi Germany and the Japanese at the end of WW2.

> The current "peace deal" is terrible for the Palestinians. No other country would sign it either.

It's a surrender agreement effectively, it's certainly not a peace deal amongst equal parties.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by layer8 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:18 PM UTC

YZF wrote: post #188

layer8 wrote: post #130

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The way Israel is alienating much of the rest of the world is unlikely to help with that. More importantly, the end doesn’t justify the means.

Israel is prioritizing defeating Hamas over making the world like it. This is partly due to the incompetence of the government, partly due to the impossible realities on the ground, but also partly due to an understanding that the survival of Hamas in Gaza and their perceived win is a larger threat. I would also say that it's the propaganda war against Israel that's causing most of the alienation. To some extent Isra…

Ukraine isn’t trying to eradicate the general Russian population, they are fighting Russian military on their own territory. The Ukrainian war effort is largely in compliance with international law, which Israel on the other hand is in grave violation of.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:18 PM UTC

flyinglizard wrote: post #251

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #110

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Because it doesn't move the situation any closer to liberation of their people and their homeland. They have been willing to constantly fight, and constantly keep getting killed by an enemy with overwhelming advantages, for their cause for two years now. Why would you assume that being able to escape with their lives is suddenly more important to them?

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by potatototoo99 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:19 PM UTC

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #222

glonq wrote: post #153

"Israel accused the IPC of lowering the second threshold of acutely malnourished children for a famine declaration, which the IPC has denied." Damn, Israel is really arguing about how much child starvation they are allowed to inflict before it becomes egregious? That might be another one of those "are we the baddies?" moments right there.

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If we were to believe Israel, why did they ban foreign media from Gaza? I'm sure the "most moral" army in the world has nothing to hide?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Fernicia » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:19 PM UTC

quantified wrote: post #82

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #64

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Hard to actually believe. What, Hamas steals all the calories and consumes the calories themselves? They'd be bloated.

I think the idea is that they sell it

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by incrudible » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:20 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #115

“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by therobots927 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:20 PM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #239

Not in a thousand years I would have expected CNN to start reporting on this. Hope they got some good lines responding to accusations on how every single one of them, including the janitors at the CNN Center in Atlanta are antisemitic. -"But we're not!" -"Aha, that's exactly what they always say, clearly a sign of guilt!" /s

Too little too late in order to save face now that the tide of public opinion has shifted

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ge96 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:23 PM UTC

I've seen air dropping videos, if random countries were to try that would they be at risk of being shot down, probably right for violating air space (cough cough).

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by jameshilliard » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:24 PM UTC

lejalv wrote: post #246

jameshilliard wrote: post #177

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> And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades. The blockade was also imposed by Egypt[0] and Hamas certainly provided no shortage of security related justifications for the blockade. Unfortunately those security concerns turned out to be accurate[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks

Unfortunately Netanyahu actively encouraged Qatar to send cash to Hamas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas > In February 2020, former Mossad Director Yossi Cohen and Israeli general Herzi Halevi, under Netanyahu's orders, went to Qatar to plead Qatari officials to continue the payments for Hamas.[8] Later, in September 2023, David Barnea, the Director of Mossad since 2021, went to Qatar to meet…

> Unfortunately Netanyahu actively encouraged Qatar to send cash to Hamas.

Yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu certainly got complacent thinking he could keep a genocidal terrorist group like Hamas under control with that strategy. Qatar and their support for terrorists has long been a problem as well.