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Your job is not sexy

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Re: Your job is not sexy

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Post by jbooth »

svachalek wrote: post #19
jbooth wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, there's some projection there. If you're genuinely creating something, at least 90% of 'normals' will appreciate that. If people are calling you entitled or narcissistic, it's possible that, rather than you living too boldly and being such a genius they can't understand, you're actually kind of entitled and narcissistic.

You didn't read the OP?

I did, and generally agree that humility about achievement leads to the best results, a sense of entitlement to the worst. My only beef was 'our parents understood this'. WW2/depression generation, maybe, boomers, no way.

The comment I was responding to seemed to take serious offense at the OP, and I don't.

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Post by freefrancisco »

I am a maker, I am self-made, I am not indebted, and my job is damn sexy. The fact that I stand in the shoulders of giants does not mean that I am not self-made. We all make our choices given the opportunities available, some of us choose some things, some of us choose others. Given that we make our choices and everybody around us is free to make their own choices, we are not indebted to anybody. We might be generous out of good will, but I refuse to accept any unearned guilt for my success, or any debt or duty that I did not incur. I love my job and I think it is damn sexy. If I didn't, I would do something else.

Re: Your job is not sexy

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Post by efa »

zwieback wrote: post #14

Aka "You didn't build that!"

Not sure why this was down voted. I was thinking of that the whole time reading the article. And I feel the same way now - bologna! I don't know any small business owner who doesn't work crazy hard (including myself). It's one thing to feel pride because you were handed a trust fund, but I don't see a problem with looking at what you've achieve and feeling a sense of satisfaction.

And regarding all those people who I owe a debt. There certainly have been people who helped me along the way. But you know what, other people helped those people. And I have helped many others as well. So aren't we all even.

As a Christian I have no issues with humbleness. Believe me, I'm extremely grateful for all I have. But I'm not a fan of "no one is better then anyone else and you have more just because of luck".

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Post by jdunck »

efa wrote: post #23
zwieback wrote: post #14

Aka "You didn't build that!"

Not sure why this was down voted. I was thinking of that the whole time reading the article. And I feel the same way now - bologna! I don't know any small business owner who doesn't work crazy hard (including myself). It's one thing to feel pride because you were handed a trust fund, but I don't see a problem with looking at what you've achieve and feeling a sense of satisfaction. And regarding all those people who I…

It may be interesting to note that the author is a Libertarian, not a liberal.

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Post by ipince »

freefrancisco wrote: post #22

I am a maker, I am self-made, I am not indebted, and my job is damn sexy. The fact that I stand in the shoulders of giants does not mean that I am not self-made. We all make our choices given the opportunities available, some of us choose some things, some of us choose others. Given that we make our choices and everybody around us is free to make their own choices, we are not indebted to anybody. We might be generous…

So everyone is self-made? What does that even mean anyway?

Re: Your job is not sexy

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Post by tmh88j »

>We are indebted.

I'm not sure how I feel about this statement; it(the article) almost has a communist vibe. It seems like a negative way to state that in order for the advancement of technology, we need to pass our skills and knowledge to others. Yea, I agree with the overall message of helping/being helped, but not the tone that it's being described.

Re: Your job is not sexy

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Post by freefrancisco »

ipince wrote: post #25
freefrancisco wrote: post #22

I am a maker, I am self-made, I am not indebted, and my job is damn sexy. The fact that I stand in the shoulders of giants does not mean that I am not self-made. We all make our choices given the opportunities available, some of us choose some things, some of us choose others. Given that we make our choices and everybody around us is free to make their own choices, we are not indebted to anybody. We might be generous…

So everyone is self-made? What does that even mean anyway?

It means that we have free will, that we make our own choices which determine the rest of our lives, and that different people can make different choices and make different lives. As far as character it means that once you make a choice often enough you are more likely to make that choice, and it becomes your character, who you are.

Re: Your job is not sexy

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Post by ibejoeb »

bduerst wrote: post #15
columbo wrote: post #7

Not being from the bay area can anyone on that side of the planet who survived the first bubble (2000) to today give an honest assessment on if attitudes really have changed[0]? Around here (midwest) not much has seemed to change. I don't see nearly as many rockstars/brogrammers as articles I read seem to suggest. [0] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/the-yuppie...

They do exist, but they are at varying degrees of smug and are not necessarily taking seriously. In my experience, those who are usually worth their salt don't go to extremes to broadcast it.

I agree. I think these things are two sides of the same coin. There's usually some kind publicity required to attain that status, and that ranges from some a little self promotion to braggadocio. Once there's a surplus wealth, power, or fame, most people tend to back off; that feeling of liability sinks in.

There are exceptions, but even among the flamboyant successful (say, Ellison, Branson) there seems to be a trend of lowering one's profile.

Re: Your job is not sexy

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Post by jbooth »

efa wrote: post #23
zwieback wrote: post #14

Aka "You didn't build that!"

Not sure why this was down voted. I was thinking of that the whole time reading the article. And I feel the same way now - bologna! I don't know any small business owner who doesn't work crazy hard (including myself). It's one thing to feel pride because you were handed a trust fund, but I don't see a problem with looking at what you've achieve and feeling a sense of satisfaction. And regarding all those people who I…

The downvotes were probably because of the injection of nakedly partisan soundbite politics. Did it add to the discussion? Plenty of room to expand and actually discuss the matter, like you did.

As far as "you didn't build that", the context was "you didn't build that alone". Seems like you agree, in general. Nothing wrong with being satisfied with a job well done, but there is something wrong with growing up in the most advanced society in world history and thinking you're some sort of rugged pioneer.

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