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Post by n4r9 »

clessed wrote: post #10
rsynnott wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western Europe in general really, though specifically Ireland, yeah. It hasn't caught on here to the same degree that it has in the UK, at least not for now, fortunately (politically, it's mostly the preserve of fringe weirdos, whereas it's a major-party thing in the UK at this point), but some of the talking points have definitely come over. As to the sudden shift in the UK, Cameron and May's Conservative government…

It was May's plan to introduce gender self-ID that galvanised such a strong and rapid response against it, largely coordinated on Mumsnet, within its Feminism and Women's Rights (FWR) subforum. In fact, the recent UK Supreme Court case which resulted in a ruling that references to "sex", "woman" and "man" in the Equality Act refer to biological sex (as in, a person's sex observed at birth), was brought by a small gro…

We've excluded trans women from somewhere they don't pose a threat, forcing them into spaces where they are under considerable threat.

Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

#12

Post by [deleted] »

n4r9 wrote: post #11
clessed wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was May's plan to introduce gender self-ID that galvanised such a strong and rapid response against it, largely coordinated on Mumsnet, within its Feminism and Women's Rights (FWR) subforum. In fact, the recent UK Supreme Court case which resulted in a ruling that references to "sex", "woman" and "man" in the Equality Act refer to biological sex (as in, a person's sex observed at birth), was brought by a small gro…

We've excluded trans women from somewhere they don't pose a threat, forcing them into spaces where they are under considerable threat.

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Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

#13

Post by clessed »

n4r9 wrote: post #11
clessed wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was May's plan to introduce gender self-ID that galvanised such a strong and rapid response against it, largely coordinated on Mumsnet, within its Feminism and Women's Rights (FWR) subforum. In fact, the recent UK Supreme Court case which resulted in a ruling that references to "sex", "woman" and "man" in the Equality Act refer to biological sex (as in, a person's sex observed at birth), was brought by a small gro…

We've excluded trans women from somewhere they don't pose a threat, forcing them into spaces where they are under considerable threat.

What has led you to believe that?

Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

#14

Post by n4r9 »

clessed wrote: post #13
n4r9 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've excluded trans women from somewhere they don't pose a threat, forcing them into spaces where they are under considerable threat.

What has led you to believe that?

The evidence, e.g.

> Current policy debates regarding transgender people’s access to restrooms and other gendered facilities are predicated on narratives about protecting the safety and privacy of women’s spaces. These narratives lack evidence showing any negative impacts on safety and privacy in women’s restrooms or other facilities when transgender people can use restrooms according to their gender identity. However, transgender people consistently report having negative experiences in restrooms perpetrated by others, including denial of access, verbal harassment, and physical assault. Evidence suggests that transgender people are put at added risk if required by law to use restrooms in accordance with their sex assigned at birth.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/safety-i...

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Post by clessed »

n4r9 wrote: post #14
clessed wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has led you to believe that?

The evidence, e.g. > Current policy debates regarding transgender people’s access to restrooms and other gendered facilities are predicated on narratives about protecting the safety and privacy of women’s spaces. These narratives lack evidence showing any negative impacts on safety and privacy in women’s restrooms or other facilities when transgender people can use restrooms according to their gender identity. Howeve…

But that report misses the point that women's rights to single-sex spaces is about boundaries, consent and protection from male presence in intimate settings. By only surveying "transgender experiences" it's basically just ignoring women who object to this and implying that women's boundaries and consent don't matter.

Looking at crime statistics won't capture the discomfort and intimidation that many women will experience upon encountering intrusive males in female spaces, nor their withdrawal from public life as a consequence of this.

Also it focuses heavily on toilet facilities but this is just a part of the wider issue. Like for example there's a much worse problem in women's prisons where males are being transferred in based on self-declared gender identity, with sexual assaults, rapes and impregnation of female prisoners by these men occurring as a direct result of such policy.

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#16

Post by dzhiurgis »

n4r9 wrote: post #2

> Critics circulated a clip from the “Dead End: Paranormal Park” in which Barney Guttman, the series’ protagonist, comes out to his friend Norma as transgender. “I’m trans, Norma,” Barney says. “Being here, it’s like a whole new place. I can just be Barney, and I can choose if and when I tell people.” The character says he has “never been happier” and says it is important to “live your life without apology.” Libs of…

Homosexuality doesn't make you permanently infertile tho.

Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

#17

Post by [deleted] »

clessed wrote: post #15
n4r9 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The evidence, e.g. > Current policy debates regarding transgender people’s access to restrooms and other gendered facilities are predicated on narratives about protecting the safety and privacy of women’s spaces. These narratives lack evidence showing any negative impacts on safety and privacy in women’s restrooms or other facilities when transgender people can use restrooms according to their gender identity. Howeve…

But that report misses the point that women's rights to single-sex spaces is about boundaries, consent and protection from male presence in intimate settings. By only surveying "transgender experiences" it's basically just ignoring women who object to this and implying that women's boundaries and consent don't matter. Looking at crime statistics won't capture the discomfort and intimidation that many women will exper…

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Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

#18

Post by n4r9 »

clessed wrote: post #15
n4r9 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The evidence, e.g. > Current policy debates regarding transgender people’s access to restrooms and other gendered facilities are predicated on narratives about protecting the safety and privacy of women’s spaces. These narratives lack evidence showing any negative impacts on safety and privacy in women’s restrooms or other facilities when transgender people can use restrooms according to their gender identity. Howeve…

But that report misses the point that women's rights to single-sex spaces is about boundaries, consent and protection from male presence in intimate settings. By only surveying "transgender experiences" it's basically just ignoring women who object to this and implying that women's boundaries and consent don't matter. Looking at crime statistics won't capture the discomfort and intimidation that many women will exper…

> women's rights to single-sex spaces is about boundaries, consent and protection

I agree that these are important things, and there's a discussion to be had about it. There's an argument for some safe spaces such as women's refuges having some kind of biological criteria. But I think the Supreme Court ruling is too broadly sweeping and I have doubts that it's a net positive.

This is slightly derailing from topic though, which is about how transphobia has surged in recent years. I'm curious to know if you think it's reasonable to boycott Netflix because they have produced kids shows with transgender characters.

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#19

Post by rsynnott »

n4r9 wrote: post #11
clessed wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was May's plan to introduce gender self-ID that galvanised such a strong and rapid response against it, largely coordinated on Mumsnet, within its Feminism and Women's Rights (FWR) subforum. In fact, the recent UK Supreme Court case which resulted in a ruling that references to "sex", "woman" and "man" in the Equality Act refer to biological sex (as in, a person's sex observed at birth), was brought by a small gro…

We've excluded trans women from somewhere they don't pose a threat, forcing them into spaces where they are under considerable threat.

Also imposing a significant threat on cis women who don’t look sufficiently conventionally feminine for the transphobes’ tastes, tbh.

Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

#20

Post by n4r9 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #16
n4r9 wrote: post #2

> Critics circulated a clip from the “Dead End: Paranormal Park” in which Barney Guttman, the series’ protagonist, comes out to his friend Norma as transgender. “I’m trans, Norma,” Barney says. “Being here, it’s like a whole new place. I can just be Barney, and I can choose if and when I tell people.” The character says he has “never been happier” and says it is important to “live your life without apology.” Libs of…

Homosexuality doesn't make you permanently infertile tho.

Fair point, that is a difference. Transitioning is a significant change and not to be taken lightly. That said, fertility can be preserved by freezing sperm or eggs. It's offered on the NHS as part of the gender transition process.
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