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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by abdulhaq »

dataflow wrote: post #59
rubzah wrote: post #4

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

even if it was true, and the charities say it is not, would that make it OK to starve the people of Gaza?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by tguvot »

CommanderData wrote: post #20
weregiraffe wrote: post #5

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No Hamas in West Bank but everyday invaders come and push natives from their homes.

Plenty of hamas in west bank. It kicked ass of pa this year. As example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Palestinia...

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

dlubarov wrote: post #54
churchill wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Jewish sources like Jewish Chronicle, ADL and JVL are largely banned, as well as all the major conservative news sources.

Source?

My personal rule-of-thumb is that an international news source is likely to be fairly reliable so long as it's not reporting on something that they have a conflict of interest in (eg home country/demographic).

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

blueflow wrote: post #39

For reference: While the gas chambers were are the prominent way of death during the Holocaust, the majority of victims died of starvation. Starvation death looks like succumbing to a random sickness (the body is just too weak for a functional immune response), and thus saves the perpetrator from the usual psychological consequences of direct murder. This methodology was agreed on during the Wannsee conference in 194…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by incrudible »

JohnFen wrote: post #58
incrudible wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a boycott, if not collective punishment?

A boycott is people choosing where to spend their money (exercising their right of free association). That's not even in the same universe as punishing innocent people by murdering and starving them.

Israel is doing neither, as far as I am concerned. Israel allowed in more than the required amount of food. Collateral damage within the context of war is not murder. Internal food distribution difficulties are not systematic starvation. If truly there was a famine, propagandists would not need to use photos of cancer patients (and similar) as false evidence for starvation.

Fair enough, what are sanctions, if not collective punishment? There is a concentrated campaign to isolate the entire country and its citizens, from the same type of people that say Hamas does not represent Palestinians. Either there is a double standard here, or collective punishment is fair game. Choose one.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ndiddy »

dataflow wrote: post #59
rubzah wrote: post #4

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

If that was true, wouldn’t the best course of action be to let as much aid as possible into Gaza to flood the market rather than restricting the flow (therefore increasing prices) like Israel has been doing?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

abdulhaq wrote: post #61
dataflow wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

even if it was true, and the charities say it is not, would that make it OK to starve the people of Gaza?

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by nashashmi »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #64
blueflow wrote: post #39

For reference: While the gas chambers were are the prominent way of death during the Holocaust, the majority of victims died of starvation. Starvation death looks like succumbing to a random sickness (the body is just too weak for a functional immune response), and thus saves the perpetrator from the usual psychological consequences of direct murder. This methodology was agreed on during the Wannsee conference in 194…

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Two years later after several ceasefires have been broken, only one chooses to continue the famine and the war.
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