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Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by jeroenhd »

jacooper wrote: post #3
mattashii wrote: post #2

Judgement (dutch): https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025... The judgement requires Meta to change their platforms within 2 weeks so that the user's choice is persistent. If not implemented in 2 weeks, there is a daily penalty of €100'000, up to a maximum of €5 million.

Lol 5 million is pocket change for meta, wtf are these courts doing?

This is 5 million for this particular court case. Nothing is preventing others from filing their own, very similar cases. If Meta ignores the court's decision, a second lawsuit may end much worse for them.

Though, practically speaking, America has been threatening to make the trade war they started much worse for the EU if it tried to enforce things like DSA and GDPR fines. We'll have to see how enforceable these laws really are.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

As a European, I’m glad that the influence of big, potentially dangerous companies is being kept in check. From the start of October, Meta is completely switching off political ads and now I can look forward to my feed stopping with tabloids, politics and Russian propaganda and going back to technical curiosities and capybaras.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by throwaw12 »

maccard wrote: post #10
jacooper wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol 5 million is pocket change for meta, wtf are these courts doing?

The goal isn’t to penalize, it’s to get them to comply.

for 5 million?

I am willing to pay 0.01$ out of my pocket to not comply with some regulations in my country. I can even pay annually

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by jeroenhd »

markus92 wrote: post #9
tantalor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's per user?

Na, but under the Dutch legal you can go back to the court if they pay the 5 million without changing anything and ask if they can increase it cus it clearly wasn’t enough. They’ll just keep tacking zeroes on.

Yes and no. The judge can choose to tack on zeroes to make Meta comply, but they may also find that monetary fines are not sufficient and take other measures. This is not just a money printing machine you can keep coming back to.

If Meta can provide a reasonable time frame for compliance, the judge may also choose to let the existing limit on reparations stand rather than increase it, despite them not complying the day they hit the 5 million euro mark.

It's all up to what the judge deems reasonable to make Meta comply with the court's orders.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by eru »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #12

As a European, I’m glad that the influence of big, potentially dangerous companies is being kept in check. From the start of October, Meta is completely switching off political ads and now I can look forward to my feed stopping with tabloids, politics and Russian propaganda and going back to technical curiosities and capybaras.

Why don't you just stop using Facebook, if you don't like it?

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

jacooper wrote: post #3
mattashii wrote: post #2

Judgement (dutch): https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025... The judgement requires Meta to change their platforms within 2 weeks so that the user's choice is persistent. If not implemented in 2 weeks, there is a daily penalty of €100'000, up to a maximum of €5 million.

Lol 5 million is pocket change for meta, wtf are these courts doing?

Fines in general aren't effective.

Perhaps this case doesn't warrant it, but generally speaking I'd like to see allocating jailtime across the top shareholders as an option.

If my dog bites somebody, I'm on the hook, it should be no different with a company.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by DoktorDelta »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #16
jacooper wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol 5 million is pocket change for meta, wtf are these courts doing?

Fines in general aren't effective. Perhaps this case doesn't warrant it, but generally speaking I'd like to see allocating jailtime across the top shareholders as an option. If my dog bites somebody, I'm on the hook, it should be no different with a company.

"I'll Believe That Corporations Are People When Texas Executes One"

~Robert Reich

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by RobotToaster »

jacooper wrote: post #3
mattashii wrote: post #2

Judgement (dutch): https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025... The judgement requires Meta to change their platforms within 2 weeks so that the user's choice is persistent. If not implemented in 2 weeks, there is a daily penalty of €100'000, up to a maximum of €5 million.

Lol 5 million is pocket change for meta, wtf are these courts doing?

It also means that after 50 days there's basically no incentive to comply.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by astonex »

eru wrote: post #15
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #12

As a European, I’m glad that the influence of big, potentially dangerous companies is being kept in check. From the start of October, Meta is completely switching off political ads and now I can look forward to my feed stopping with tabloids, politics and Russian propaganda and going back to technical curiosities and capybaras.

Why don't you just stop using Facebook, if you don't like it?

It's about making the right choices for society as a whole

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by 55555 »

Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app without addictive feeds. Or make it such that users can disable the feed in settings. We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.
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