RIP Jane Goodall. Not to make a flippant pun but, thank you indeed for all the good you brought to all of us. By discovering humanity in our chimpanzee cousins, you helped us see the humanity in each other.
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#152Oh wow, I was just listening to her interview with the WSJ The Journal podcast a few days ago. Ryan Knutson may have been her last interview. https://pca.st/episode/a724a8f6-b269-4a86-af32-18932f1efbf2
Listening to the podcast, I realized that Ryan Knutson and Jane Goodall were talking in front of an audience. Was there video?
a quick search and, as the french say, "Viola" :)
see https://www.wsj.com/video/is-jane-goodall-fighting-a-losing-...
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#154If you find Jane Goodall inspirational, you may be delighted to learn about Anne Innis Dagg [0], whose studies of wild giraffe predates Goodall's study of chimps. The documentary "The Woman Who Loves Giraffes" [1] is fantastic and has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. The reason you might not know Dagg's name is essentially that she was denied tenure for being a woman. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Innis_Dagg [1] htt…
That was an absolutely lovely read. I did not think I would get so invested. However... I didn't know she died as well so the final sentence on her wiki article caught my off-guard :(
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is that if you depopulate by reducing the birth rate, you end up in a situation where you have a whole lot of old people and very few young people, which cannot be sustained.
It doesn't need to be sustained, the whole point is that eventually when the next generation ages up, the number of old people won't be as high.
However, in the intermediate stage, you are desperately short of working-age people to help support the massive aging population.
This isn't a theoretical - most of Western Europe has been in this boat for a long time, and relies heavily on immigration to fill the labour gap (despite however much political posturing about wanting to restrict immigration)
If we do this on a global scale, there is nowhere to draw immigrants from, and a bunch of old folks are going to be abandoned to die...
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#156“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…
>The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Unfortunately, we will return to that level. Then 25 years later, we'll be only half that number (or worse). >all of his predictions turned out to be dead wrong. Hilariously wrong, you mean. I especially like the ones about how the UK would be filled with cannibal savages by the 1980s, because everyone would be starving.
> Unfortunately, we will return to that level. Then 25 years later, we'll be only half that number (or worse).
What are your main reasons for thinking that?
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
The full saga is humourous. from wiki. Gary Larson cartoon incident One of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons shows two chimpanzees grooming. One finds a blonde human hair on the other and inquires, "Conducting a little more 'research' with that Jane Goodall tramp?"[114] Goodall herself was in Africa at the time. The Jane Goodall Institute thought the cartoon was in bad taste and had its lawyers draft a letter to Larson…
Always amusing when a bunch of lawyers over-react to something, supposedly on their client's behalf, and then when the client finds out about it, they have to talk the lawyers out of it and tell them to chill. I've always wondered if lawyers are born without a sense of humor or if they lose it during one of the semesters of law school.
You appear to have misunderstood what happened. It was her management team that thought it was in bad taste. They then got the lawyers to draft a letter. The lawyers weren't acting "supposedly on their clients behalf", they were doing exactly what their clients asked them to do - which is their job. In this case, it was the management team that was acting "supposedly on their clients behalf" and who needed to chill out.
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