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Jane Goodall has died

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Post by alsetmusic »

Cuuugi wrote: post #32
alsetmusic wrote: post #22

That's sad news. She completely changed the way we thought about primate intelligence. Fun fact: she really liked the Far Side cartoon about her. https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/...

The full saga is humourous. from wiki. Gary Larson cartoon incident One of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons shows two chimpanzees grooming. One finds a blonde human hair on the other and inquires, "Conducting a little more 'research' with that Jane Goodall tramp?"[114] Goodall herself was in Africa at the time. The Jane Goodall Institute thought the cartoon was in bad taste and had its lawyers draft a letter to Larson…

> In 1988, when Larson visited Goodall's research facility in Tanzania,[115] he was attacked by a chimpanzee named Frodo.

This just made the whole story so much funnier. I'm really glad to have read it. Poor guy, but hilarious to read about.

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Post by orsenthil »

My favorite quote of her has been.

Understanding what chimpanzees are like has made me realize that we humans are not so different from other animals as we used to think. What makes us most different is that we are far more clever than even the cleverest chimp, and we have words. We have a spoken language. We can tell stories about what happened a week or a year or a decade ago. We can plan for the future, and we can discuss things - one person's idea can grow and change as other people contribute their ideas. Great ideas become greater, problems are solved.

My Life with the Chimpanzees (1996), p. 140

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Post by john-tells-all »

lonelyasacloud wrote: post #88
mapmeld wrote: post #7

I really appreciated her speaking to young people, even riding the NYC subway for the first time to record "Subway Takes" last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkwo6JPV00 She also was speaking on a panel just a week ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0GWlZm3gk

Highly rate her episode of the BBC’s The Life Scientific https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000jmsd

The Life Scientific is a wonderful and engaging podcast. The episodes delve into a scientist's field of study, but really bring out their human side. Hobbies, interests; scientists are people too :)

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by orsenthil »

There is a video of the chimp Wounda returning to hug Jane before the chimp's liberation. It brings tears in eyes everytime I watch that.

Rest in peace, Jane. You will be missed.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by esafak »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #117
lIl-IIIl wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think she advocating for fewer births. The 8 billion deaths would eventually happen by themselves, most of them of old age.

The thing is that if you depopulate by reducing the birth rate, you end up in a situation where you have a whole lot of old people and very few young people, which cannot be sustained.

I can see why it might be undesirable socially but why not, economically? That's what technology is for.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by shoo »

dingnuts wrote: post #70
boxerab wrote: post #63

“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

to advocate for the death of 8 billion people is a hell of a stance. there's pro genocide and then there's... I guess this is just hating the whole species.

here's an AP news fact check article from 2022 if anyone is curious about what Goodall actually said: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-jane-goodall-populatio...

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Post by missedthecue »

nntwozz wrote: post #69
boxerab wrote: post #63

“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

Yeah I've seen this before, we could all drive V12s and eat only beef but it's not a very meaningful insight. We're going to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point. We came from the caves, we didn't know any better we just multiplied like a cancer. More population also brings more benefits, more geniuses more invent…

It's pretty clear we're not going to hit 10B

At current trends, the global population will begin actively shrinking as soon as 2040, just 15 years away.

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Post by emmelaich »

mapmeld wrote: post #7

I really appreciated her speaking to young people, even riding the NYC subway for the first time to record "Subway Takes" last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkwo6JPV00 She also was speaking on a panel just a week ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0GWlZm3gk

What the hell is that stuff after 17m? https://youtu.be/CAkwo6JPV00?t=1022

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by ETH_start »

I hope that one day aging and the growing inexorability of death as life progresses into old age ceases to be a thing. She being 91 does not negate the tragedy of her death for me.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by worik »

kortilla wrote: post #120
evanb wrote: post #92

If you find Jane Goodall inspirational, you may be delighted to learn about Anne Innis Dagg [0], whose studies of wild giraffe predates Goodall's study of chimps. The documentary "The Woman Who Loves Giraffes" [1] is fantastic and has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. The reason you might not know Dagg's name is essentially that she was denied tenure for being a woman. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Innis_Dagg [1] htt…

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> Tenure is not how people gain notoriety

Being over looked because of your gender does not gain you notoriety either, otherwise notoriety would mean something completely different! There are so so many

But fighting back as Digg did, suing and campaigning - that is how you get notoriety, and help the people following in your footsteps.

A pox on their bigoted hierarchies.

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