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Jane Goodall has died

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Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by ryandrake »

lIl-IIIl wrote: post #81
dingnuts wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to advocate for the death of 8 billion people is a hell of a stance. there's pro genocide and then there's... I guess this is just hating the whole species.

I think she advocating for fewer births. The 8 billion deaths would eventually happen by themselves, most of them of old age.

In order to achieve this, though, we desperately need to get every country well below replacement-level fertility rate, and sustain that for a long, long time. Not sure it's possible, particularly when some political factions still consider "below replacement" to be a bad thing.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by evanb »

If you find Jane Goodall inspirational, you may be delighted to learn about Anne Innis Dagg [0], whose studies of wild giraffe predates Goodall's study of chimps. The documentary "The Woman Who Loves Giraffes" [1] is fantastic and has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. The reason you might not know Dagg's name is essentially that she was denied tenure for being a woman.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Innis_Dagg

[1] https://thewomanwholovesgiraffes.com/

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by xeonmc »

inglor_cz wrote: post #28

The gap between us and the chimpanzees is, at the same time, "tantalizingly small" and "too big". We have learnt to communicate with them, but they also don't seem to ask questions, at least not the way that humans do. There is obvious intelligence in their eyes and deliberation in their movements, but they seem to be content with an almost static culture. Which was also true for the Neanderthals. What was the last s…

    For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars and so on -- whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. 
    But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons.
    
    - The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

technothrasher wrote: post #49
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #27

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"If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey, even if it has a monkey-kind-of shape. It if doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey; if it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey: it's an ape."

With the one exception being Curious George.

Perhaps the 'curiousness' of George was not his personality trait, but rather the curious affliction of his missing tail.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by lIl-IIIl »

ryandrake wrote: post #91
lIl-IIIl wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think she advocating for fewer births. The 8 billion deaths would eventually happen by themselves, most of them of old age.

In order to achieve this, though, we desperately need to get every country well below replacement-level fertility rate, and sustain that for a long, long time. Not sure it's possible, particularly when some political factions still consider "below replacement" to be a bad thing.

It's happening though. Birthrate in many countries are below replacement rate, and birthrates in all countries have declined:

https://www.economist.com/interactive/briefing/2025/09/11/hu....

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by inglor_cz »

xeonmc wrote: post #93
inglor_cz wrote: post #28

The gap between us and the chimpanzees is, at the same time, "tantalizingly small" and "too big". We have learnt to communicate with them, but they also don't seem to ask questions, at least not the way that humans do. There is obvious intelligence in their eyes and deliberation in their movements, but they seem to be content with an almost static culture. Which was also true for the Neanderthals. What was the last s…

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars and so on -- whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons. - The Hitchhiker’s Guide to th…

Yeah, I read it too, but let's not take the book as a holy one.

Dolphins are plenty smart, but their absence of a material culture also leaves them exposed to various forces beyond their control.

Are dolphin moms not grieving when their baby gets eaten by killer whales?

This sort of threats is ubiquitous in nature, but almost unknown in a civilization.

True nature is brutal.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by typpilol »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #64
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #59

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Jesus! Frodo sounds like a bastard. > Frodo's aggression was not limited to colobus monkeys and other chimpanzees. In May 2002, he killed a 14-month-old human child that the niece of a member of the research team had carried into his territory.[61] As a result, the Tanzanian National Parks Department considered killing Frodo.[61] In 1988, he attacked visiting Far Side cartoonist Gary Larson, leaving him bruised and s…

Frodo also impregnated his own mother https://blog.michael-lawrence-wilson.com/2014/01/19/frodo-30...

How did they not put him down after he killed an infant? That's crazy

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by typpilol »

Rendello wrote: post #67
eej71 wrote: post #11

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I suspect Koko's capabilities were completely over sold.

I was fascinated by Koko's abilities and took them at face value until I saw her famous climate change speech: > I am gorilla. I am flowers, animals. I am nature. Man Koko love. Earth Koko love. But Man stupid. Stupid! Koko sorry. Koko cry. Time hurry! Fix Earth! Help Earth! Hurry! Protect Earth. Nature see you. Thank you. I saw that and felt like I was in crazy land. That's supposedly the kind of talking Koko's been…

There's a lot of evidence to suggest most of her research was fraudulent
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