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Jane Goodall has died

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Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by lIl-IIIl »

dingnuts wrote: post #70
boxerab wrote: post #63

“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

to advocate for the death of 8 billion people is a hell of a stance. there's pro genocide and then there's... I guess this is just hating the whole species.

I think she advocating for fewer births. The 8 billion deaths would eventually happen by themselves, most of them of old age.

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Post by jimbokun »

adriand wrote: post #37
jasoneckert wrote: post #21

You don’t have to be a biologist or zoologist to appreciate what Jane Goodall brought to the world. Her work transcended science. It touched on compassion, respect for all living beings, and a deep curiosity about the natural world that inspired generations. She didn’t just study chimpanzees; she taught us what it means to observe with empathy, to advocate with conviction, and to act with hope. Her legacy will echo f…

She was one of my heroes. I'm terribly saddened by this loss. Imagine what kind of world we would live in if we put these kinds of human beings in charge instead.

The first nations to do so would be invaded and conquered by their more militaristic neighbors.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by AlotOfReading »

DFHippie wrote: post #62
AlotOfReading wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty skeptical that cultural change was meaningfully slower (except as limited by effective population sizes). Cultural change for early humans is nearly invisible in the material record. Imagine that all archaeologists of the far future find nothing from the current era except iphones without working storage. Do they indicate a unified global culture without cultural change outside WWDC? Obviously not, even th…

Sure, but this is true of neanderthals as well. So we can't say we are especially creative or dynamic in our culture. We can say that our material culture, that small fragment of it that was preserved, was static.

That was the point: I also wouldn't say that about neanderthals.

The evidence on the ground is of course, limited. But it's a fairly common view among anthropologists/archaeologists that our perspective on ancient societies is immensely limited by the material record, hence the generally positive reception to Dawn of Everything despite its sketchy details and interpretations.

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Post by westurner »

westurner wrote: post #74

Jane Goodall was a United Nations Messenger of Peace. Jane Goodall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall "Dr. Jane Goodall Teaches Conservation" https://www.masterclass.com/classes/jane-goodall-teaches-con...

This one is more about the "apes" (primates),

"Primatologist Answers Ape Questions From Twitter" https://youtube.com/watch?v=z4BmXSBXz-c

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by jimbokun »

nntwozz wrote: post #69
boxerab wrote: post #63

“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

Yeah I've seen this before, we could all drive V12s and eat only beef but it's not a very meaningful insight. We're going to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point. We came from the caves, we didn't know any better we just multiplied like a cancer. More population also brings more benefits, more geniuses more invent…

We have improved a lot on eliminating wars front.

Inequality not so much but much progress has been made in eliminating abject poverty.

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Post by jimbokun »

dingnuts wrote: post #73
nntwozz wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I've seen this before, we could all drive V12s and eat only beef but it's not a very meaningful insight. We're going to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point. We came from the caves, we didn't know any better we just multiplied like a cancer. More population also brings more benefits, more geniuses more invent…

> hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point it is so dangerous and naive to think that utopia is possible, even if we all could agree that Star Trek is one, which we shall not, because I certainly do not think its depiction of watered down "luxury space communism with military ranks" is a desirable society.

That’s the real trouble with Utopia, differing ideas on what kind of Utopia we want.

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Post by lonelyasacloud »

mapmeld wrote: post #7

I really appreciated her speaking to young people, even riding the NYC subway for the first time to record "Subway Takes" last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkwo6JPV00 She also was speaking on a panel just a week ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0GWlZm3gk

Highly rate her episode of the BBC’s The Life Scientific https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000jmsd

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by ryandrake »

Cuuugi wrote: post #32
alsetmusic wrote: post #22

That's sad news. She completely changed the way we thought about primate intelligence. Fun fact: she really liked the Far Side cartoon about her. https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/...

The full saga is humourous. from wiki. Gary Larson cartoon incident One of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons shows two chimpanzees grooming. One finds a blonde human hair on the other and inquires, "Conducting a little more 'research' with that Jane Goodall tramp?"[114] Goodall herself was in Africa at the time. The Jane Goodall Institute thought the cartoon was in bad taste and had its lawyers draft a letter to Larson…

Always amusing when a bunch of lawyers over-react to something, supposedly on their client's behalf, and then when the client finds out about it, they have to talk the lawyers out of it and tell them to chill. I've always wondered if lawyers are born without a sense of humor or if they lose it during one of the semesters of law school.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by psunavy03 »

nntwozz wrote: post #69
boxerab wrote: post #63

“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

Yeah I've seen this before, we could all drive V12s and eat only beef but it's not a very meaningful insight. We're going to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point. We came from the caves, we didn't know any better we just multiplied like a cancer. More population also brings more benefits, more geniuses more invent…

Utopia literally means "no place" for a reason. We're always going to be just what we are right now . . . humans.
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