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Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Similarly why do people dress up as pirates and Vikings for Halloween? We're talking about gangs of armed robbers who engaged in rape, pillage, murder, and slaving.

They aren't dressing up as actual pirates and vikings, they're dressing up as fictional archetypes inspired by stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean and How to Train Your Dragon. Halloween pirates are as different from real pirates as Star Wars Stormtroopers are from real-life stormtroopers.

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Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Since 1963. The Byrds attended the first series of renfaires. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AFlBoxsAkI#ren https://www.amazon.com/Well-Met-Renaissance-American-Counter...

If you stretch the "Renaissance" back to the Middle Ages (1300s CE), Japan had them in the Renaissance itself.

1500s samurais popularized a pasttime of reenacting 1300s samurais. Except, being Japan, they had actual relics of the period in pristine condition.

I know someone in the SCA who portrays a 1500s samurai who portrays a 1300s samurai - giving him two periods of costume to play with, without "changing persona" at all. Kinda.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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I went down a rabbit hole on Wikipedia about turkeys. Am I understanding it correctly in that turkeys went from South America to Europe then to North America? So it's native to the new world, but not native to North America? Anyway, 1500s is when they came to Europe, so maybe they did enjoy a good turkey leg...

That is incorrect. Both extant species of turkeys are native to North America.

Also, Wild Turkey(tm) is native to North America. Kentucky, USA, specifically.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Last weekend I went to my local ren faire. What a fantastic time. If you havent been to one before, definitely go. At mine, I'd say 70% of people are in a costume of some kind. 95% of the costumes were period correct or related. I went in star trek blue. My favourite response a lady tells me that I'm violating the temporal prime directive for being in uniform. That was hilarious! Note, I was literally the only person…

The Ren Faire in NY has a time traveller day. Trekies abound.

Bristol, WI and the TRF in Todd Mission, TX (outside Houston) have those days too, or sometimes a weekend. You see a handful of Doctors even when it’s not one of those. When it is, you’ll see a lot of Doctors, Starfleet, and others.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

Renaissance fairs don’t really exist in Europe. Most countries have their own traditional festivals and customs which date back to that time period.

I wonder if some part of it is because in Europe it's local history, while in America it's something imported from an idealized past.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

first off, as a ren fest veteran, it's easier to just take "renaissance" to mean "basically any time between the collapse of rome and world war i, also with the possibility of time travellers and things that never existed in the first place and anachronisms like turkeys in pre-Colombian England" and take "Renaissance" with the capital "r" to mean "from the 1300s to roughly the discovery of the new world" Second, I th…

> Second, I think it's an interesting question to ask if people craved this particular past or if they just craved a space where everything is vastly different and settled on this period because it's pretty firmly embedded in our cultural mythology and everyone has an idea, however historically inaccurate, of what this time period was like.

I think it's mostly a case of the printing press solidifying all that cultural mythology right around the tail end of the Renaissance. King Arthur and the Knights of the Roundtable was an especially popular theme among early printed fiction (think mass market paperbacks of today) which is where I think most of this began. The motifs introduced in those books have been pervasive since the common people started learning how to read and evolved into a lot of different cultural features like renfairs.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Renaissance fairs don’t really exist in Europe. Most countries have their own traditional festivals and customs which date back to that time period.

At least here in Spain we do have medieval markets not tied to a specific festivity. Not sure how much they resemble American ren fairs, but they tend to have falconry exhibitions, smiths forging stuff, sellers of wooden toys and artisan jewelry..

At a surface level, that sounds very similar. There’s also a lot of selling of art, swords, axes, period clothing, and such. Oh, and it’s the US so there’s lots and lots of food.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Are they all just focused on sex, debauchery, lots of drinking today? I went to the one near Pasadena around a decade ago, maybe related to the OG faire, and there was so much sexual humor in the open air (like jokes shouted by storekeepers, and in the play being run) where I'd consider it an adult environment. It was a little disappointing because I was expecting something like a live-action museum, sort of like colonial williamburg in VA, but it was more like a party with expensive shit (I think a bottle of water was like $7?) being sold and drunk people stumbling. The highlight was just talking to a blacksmith who was making nails by hand who seemed serious about his craft.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

Fun fact: During the actual Renaissance, they had "tournaments" which were just medieval fairs.
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