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Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by motbus3 »

toss1 wrote: post #133
motbus3 wrote: post #122

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There is zero chance of this happening. All the big billionaires and trillionaries CEOs were sitting with the president in his first day. There is zero chance they will have their slice of their pie smaller. In the history of the world, there wasn't a single powerful person who accepted to share with commoners. There is not a single reason to believe it will change now. In fact, of you read the so called big bogus bi…

Of course they won't accept it spontaneously. The issue would need to be forced, just as with any time common people force a regime to relinquish power.

Masses are weak and dumb. It is the law of averages. If split apart because of minor factors such as a race, genre and etc, the forces cancels out and no one works together. Can you think in a modern type of media that exactly does that?

It takes to much effort to get people out of inertia. Powerful people, au contrarie, work together. They same places, same parties, have same connections, their kids go to the same schools. They might compete, but they defend the same gray areas in politics, law and etc.

Gray areas are there because that's what put apart rich people from poor people. "How expensive is your lawyer" defines how much you can abuse the system.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by sfn42 »

ttoinou wrote: post #138
sfn42 wrote: post #128

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Maybe you could enlighten me? Cause it looks to me like he won an election. I watch Trump speak and it just baffles me that anyone could possibly take him seriously. It's so abundantly clear that the guy just makes shit up on the spot, constantly. The guy lies more than he tells the truth and it's obvious . I'm not even a native English speaker and it's clear as day to me that pretty much every word out of that guy's…

You can be a smart politician and do stupid things. You can be dumb and vote for a smart politician. You can be a stupid politician and do not-that-bad-compared-to-the-smart-politician things. You can be smart and vote for a stupid politician.

Sure, a broken clock is right twice a day. And sure, you can be smart and vote for Trump. Maybe you just genuinely want the chaos and his policies. It's probably good for some people.

But it's not good for normal people. Normal people vote for Trump and then turn around and cry that their insulin and other meds are suddenly too expensive again. Lots of stuff like that. Normal people are very clearly not well served by Trump's politics. Yet they vote for him anyway and that's just stupid.

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Post by fakedang »

ethanwillis wrote: post #156
ryandrake wrote: post #131

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There are also cultural differences in these low cost USA areas that will make it hard to find educated techies there and/or get them to move there. Like it or not, the socially-liberal urban-California culture has become a sort of "Defacto Standard Culture" for tech, and a company is not going to be able to simply move all these people to rural Alabama because the cost of housing and living is cheaper there. When wo…

What could we do to produce educated techies in these low cost areas? It seems like a USA specific problem because from my understanding low cost areas in much poorer countries produce many highly skilled educated techies. What are they doing differently from the US?

Here's an idea, better education?

Replace the Bible with a science textbook.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by lbreakjai »

deadbabe wrote: post #34
Ankhers wrote: post #17

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I think it depends on what you mean by "cheap foreign engineers." I am born and raised Canadian. I make a decent chunk less than my American counterparts, even when working for the same company. Not because they are necessarily better suited for the job, but literally because of the country I live in. The same is true for engineers all over the world. So yes, companies absolutely can get cheap(er) labour and have the…

Let’s ask a different question: if money didn’t matter at all, why hire a foreigner vs someone local?

The foreigner from your point of you is a local to the market that companies like Amazon or Meta are serving. It's easier to understand what appeals to that market from the ground rather than the US west coast.

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Post by ethanwillis »

fakedang wrote: post #163
ethanwillis wrote: post #156

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What could we do to produce educated techies in these low cost areas? It seems like a USA specific problem because from my understanding low cost areas in much poorer countries produce many highly skilled educated techies. What are they doing differently from the US?

Here's an idea, better education? Replace the Bible with a science textbook.

There's plenty of science textbooks in our public schooling from what I've seen.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by toss1 »

motbus3 wrote: post #161
toss1 wrote: post #133

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Of course they won't accept it spontaneously. The issue would need to be forced, just as with any time common people force a regime to relinquish power.

Masses are weak and dumb. It is the law of averages. If split apart because of minor factors such as a race, genre and etc, the forces cancels out and no one works together. Can you think in a modern type of media that exactly does that? It takes to much effort to get people out of inertia. Powerful people, au contrarie, work together. They same places, same parties, have same connections, their kids go to the same s…

Exactly right on every point. And they won't willingly change.

And absolutely, the metaphor is absolutely right where the table is set with one brown person with one cookie, a white person with two cookies, and the oligarch with a pile of hundreds of cookies, and the oligarch is telling the white guy to watch out because the brown guy will steal his cookies. And the stupid white guy believes it.

That said, when even a small portion of the people actually unite and demand change, things change. We have the USA itself (as opposed to British colonies), India, Pakistan, No French kings, etc., no slavery, women's voting, 40-hour work week, minimum wage, social security, lunch breaks, and more all because people united sufficiently to force change.

There is the 3.5% rule [0], validated scientifically [1], showing it takes only 3.5% of a population to force serious change in a society.

There are also situations where a rich person with power wakes up and does good things. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was one such person, tagged "a traitor to his class", but he implemented huge changes in favor of ordinary people.

If you are pointing out the obstacles, we agree. If you are saying it is impossible because the rich tend to stick together, that is counter to history, and if the US people fail to respond to the latest assault from the oligarchs, they'll go down in history as the greatest losers ever.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35...

[1] https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/success-nonviol...

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Post by soulofmischief »

zenlot wrote: post #85
soulofmischief wrote: post #44

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Friendly reminder that America is not a single person, but a very large country filled with many different opinions.

You realize that the large country you're mentioning, with many opinions, still elect 1 president, who represents that large country with different opinions?

No, I don't realize that, because it's laughably false. The president is not elected to represent me, that's what Congress is supposed to be for. A single man cannot possibly represent a country of 340 million people. It's understandably easy for people from smaller countries to not be able to fathom just how big and divided America is.

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Post by soulofmischief »

sfn42 wrote: post #127
danaris wrote: post #116

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I genuinely believe that, at this point, that starts to stretch the definition of the word "represents." It's readily apparent that no president for the past decade has clearly represented a majority of the country (as opposed to a plurality) in the sense that they voted for or supported him. But Trump has gone further, and openly declared that not only does he not consider himself to represent the people politically…

When they stop voting for him, and when the people who are supposedly against him actually get off the couch and vote against him, how about that?

The billions of dollars poured into post-industrial revolution, pro-capitalist propaganda in US politics mean we cannot simply blame the populace for being brainwashed or wrong. This is a concerted effort over many generations, people are born into the propaganda machine and biased media. Fixing this starts from the top.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by soulofmischief »

sfn42 wrote: post #57
soulofmischief wrote: post #44

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Friendly reminder that America is not a single person, but a very large country filled with many different opinions.

Yeah, I'm aware of how countries work thanks

I'm not convinced you do, given your ridiculous, offensive comment.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by DengistKhan »

Scarblac wrote: post #47
DebtDeflation wrote: post #16

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What you describe is certainly possible, but it's not what's happening. You can go on Blind, Fishbowl, any work related subreddit, etc. and hear the same story over and over and over - "My company replaced half my department with H1Bs or simply moved it to an offshore center in India, and then on the next earnings call announced that they had replaced all those jobs with AI". There's a reason why "AI = Actually India…

The US is getting outcompeted by India, basically.

Or you could say the ruling class is generously donating their software industry to India, much like they generously donated their manufacturing industry to China.
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