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I use apple mail and iOS mail. At one point my wife was using whatever Microsoft's email/calendar/contacts app is called but she's long-switched to apple products. On the server I have sogo running so I also use iCal and the Mac and iOS contacts apps.
Are you happy with Apple/iOS Mail? Drives me absolutely insane.
Self-hosting email in 2025 is easy actually (apart from M365)
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#42IP reputation is a gamble, and there is no recourse. If you're lucky, awesome. But if you're unlucky and switching host isn't an option, you pretty much have to involve a large third party to act your behalf - there is zero appetite in the industry for interacting with individuals. The best solution I've been able to find is to self-host /almost/ everything, but route outgoing mail through Amazon SES. The pricing for…
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Are you happy with Apple/iOS Mail? Drives me absolutely insane.
Searching sucks but with Tahoe it has improved. It's funny - apples super old email client Cyberdog from the 90s had better search.
Search is single-digit ms. All metadata stored on the client.
I built this over the course of a year, literally driven by my frustration with Apple Mail. Maybe give it a try!
Edit: Also, extremely brave of you to upgrade to Tahoe. No chance for me
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#46> i think the myth of "you can't self-host email" persists because while it can evidently be done, basically all of the software involved is ancient, baroque, inconsistently documented, requires a PhD in Bullshit to correctly configure, and is almost actively hostile to observation. but this is _annoying_, very different from _impossible_, and fortunately mostly solvable by delegating the annoying bits to an expert u…
Microsoft 365 is corporate business email for corporate businesses. If you're a corporate business, you're already using it, and if you're not then you probably don't want to talk to anyone who's using it anyway. Even if you could pass their filtering, they'd just manually ignore your emails because they only want to talk to corporate businesses.
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#48I've been running my own mail server with several domains for me, my now wife, and friends since 1999. It's definitely changed with time and gotten more strict with things like spf, dkim, dmarc, and reverse dns all becoming necessary over the years. But it's not that difficult to be honest. Currently my internet provider is init7 and they offer fixed ip4 and set the reverse dns for me which lets me run the server dow…
Basically, someone new emails me and my server responds with a temporary rejection message saying to try again later and then when their server retries the message 5 minutes later it allows it to go through. This is a standard process to block spammers.
However lately when their email service resends the message it will come from a different server. Something like mailserver-1, then mailserver-2, then mailserver-3, each with a different ip address and each time it gets rejected until it reuses one of the addresses. But with apple for example they have hundreds of servers to cycle through and eventually the message times out and is rejected at their end.
So I have to whitelist senders to skip the temporary rejection. It comes up every few months for me, having to whitelist someone. I think it's a result of every small- mid-size company moving to providers and not hosting their own email, and these providers having dozens of servers. The domain of the server never matches the domain of the sender...
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#49With Microsoft you need to fill in a form first specifying your IP address and they will whitelist you, at least it used to work like that the last time I set up a new mail serer a few years ago.
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#50The thing about selfhosting email is that, Even after getting rated 10/10 in every mailchecker service and after a nearly 1 year service, Gmail still marks it as spam. So Gmail is basically the monopoly that undermines small startup business by marking their Email service as spam. But ofc this will happen because Europe allows it, making Europe lawmakers an inferior entity even to a private company.