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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Wait, so you can host a torrent site in the USA and not get your domain ceased by the FBI?

If you follow the DMCA I don't see why not.

Because the DMCA’s safe-harbor provisions only apply to sites that adhere to its requirements. Sites whose primary purpose is to host torrent files or infohashes arguably don’t qualify.

If the DMCA allowed US operators to host torrent catalogs openly, there’d be a plethora of them.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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https://dash.cloudflare.com/?to=/:account/:zone/security/sec... (ip.src.country eq "GB") then take action "Block". i know what you mean by a simpler option though

The point the parent is making is that you don’t have to manually keep track of the countries you need to block. You just tell Cloudflare what your website does / what type of laws may be problematic, and Cloudflare manages the blocklist automatically. Makes a lot of sense actually that it’s surprising they don’t have this yet.

So the entire internet goes off during La Liga?

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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> in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. This is a dangerous precedent though that IMO everyone should fight against. It's how we get the balkanization of the internet, and the death of it as a global network. TBH we also shouldn't put the onus on blocking "unsafe" countries on the website owners, nor an intermediary like CloudFlare. If a nation wants to block certain content, let the nation de…

It depends on the kind of website. If you're not advertising, selling anything, or otherwise doing any business through your website you're much more emboldened to not care about every jurisdiction. But if you're trying to make money through your website... well sorry you're doing business in those countries and I don't have a ton of objection to you needing to follow foreign laws. I'm fine with "balkanization" (I kn…

The huge plus of the internet is that you can be disruptive on a global scale on a somewhat even footing to the giants.

If you place a giant burden such that before you even do anything of value you need to conform to 100s of different laws/regulations from 100 different countries you create a world where only large companies can exist and everyone else is pushed out.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #271

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https://dash.cloudflare.com/?to=/:account/:zone/security/sec... (ip.src.country eq "GB") then take action "Block". i know what you mean by a simpler option though

The point the parent is making is that you don’t have to manually keep track of the countries you need to block. You just tell Cloudflare what your website does / what type of laws may be problematic, and Cloudflare manages the blocklist automatically. Makes a lot of sense actually that it’s surprising they don’t have this yet.

My guess is liability factor. If they get it wrong, massive liability on their side especially since someone could be like "I told you X" and Cloudflare didn't think the law applied or not.

Better to put onus on the customer.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

Maybe they can tell the countries where they are anyway not going to do any business anymore - no, you block it.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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> am I accountable? If you travel to their jurisdiction, yes.

Many countries countries witch apply their laws outside there jurisdiction and borders USA (Kim dotcom) Russia (Skripals) China (Teng Bio) Israel (Mordechai Vanunu)

The Mordechai Vanunu case is a bit different as he was convicted of treason (he leaked details of Israel's nuclear bombs while in Britain).

It makes sense for treason to apply everywhere. If that were not the case Britain could not have executed Lord Haw-Haw given that he only sent broadcasts from Nazi Germany.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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"status": 451 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7725

I find it interesting that there was no mention of Fahrenheit 451, the very reason they picked that number. They did at least put a thanks to Ray Bradbury.

Should it be a client error "vote differently" or a server error "this server is not licking the boot" ;)

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

I wish Wikipedia would take one for the team, and go dark in the UK. (And I'm in the UK). Wouldn't work with somewhere like China, but the UK might still be capable of being shamed.

This has been happening for years but if you're in the US you don't realize. For example I can't access my local Montana newspaper web site from the UK "because GDPR" (even though the UK isn't in the EU).

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

> in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. This is a dangerous precedent though that IMO everyone should fight against. It's how we get the balkanization of the internet, and the death of it as a global network. TBH we also shouldn't put the onus on blocking "unsafe" countries on the website owners, nor an intermediary like CloudFlare. If a nation wants to block certain content, let the nation de…

The balkanization is being caused by the UK. No technical solutions prevent this.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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> What about I sell advertising packages to a US company from my US HQ but someone in the UK views and advert on my site and therefore generates me 0.001¢ - debatable. Not entirely sure what is debatable about this situation. You quite unambiguously derived revenue from a UK citizen here, although not much. If you didn’t want that revenue, then don’t display ads in the UK. If that makes serving traffic to the UK unec…

This always appeared to me to be quite similar to serving UK tourists say in Thailand. Should that make massage parlors subject to UK law?

The equivalent would be geo-blocking the UK, and then someone from the UK travelling to the US to view your site to work around the restriction.

You have a level of plausible deniability there.

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