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Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by autoexec »

armitron wrote: post #135
paulryanrogers wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep in mind many non-voters aren't laying around on the couch, but working multiple jobs trying to pay rent and healthcare. Our unitary president is talking about restricting mail in voting and taking other measures to ensure the desired outcome. He's already resorted to sending fake electors, demanding votes be 'found', and inciting violence to interrupt the results of elections he doesn't like. (And pardoni…

Trump is trying hard to get voter id passed (common sense in Europe) and he’s obviously not doing that because he wants to cheat in elections. Your characterization is therefore misguided in the extreme. We only need to look at states like California and their complete absence of voter id to realize where and for whom rampant election fraud takes place.

> We only need to look at states like California and their complete absence of voter id to realize where and for whom rampant election fraud takes place.

rampant election fraud isn't taking place at all.

When republicans want voter id passed they do it because they want to suppress votes. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/impa...

There are ways to make voter ID work, ways to make them free and easy to obtain, but they aren't interested in any of that because they just want to stop "the wrong people" from voting.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by amalcon »

armitron wrote: post #135
paulryanrogers wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep in mind many non-voters aren't laying around on the couch, but working multiple jobs trying to pay rent and healthcare. Our unitary president is talking about restricting mail in voting and taking other measures to ensure the desired outcome. He's already resorted to sending fake electors, demanding votes be 'found', and inciting violence to interrupt the results of elections he doesn't like. (And pardoni…

Trump is trying hard to get voter id passed (common sense in Europe) and he’s obviously not doing that because he wants to cheat in elections. Your characterization is therefore misguided in the extreme. We only need to look at states like California and their complete absence of voter id to realize where and for whom rampant election fraud takes place.

You'd get most Democrats to support voter ID if it came with a national ID card, plus an affirmative duty to some agency to ensure that everyone has access to one.

We have neither of those things. The closest we have is driver's licenses, because our culture is such that everyone eligible wants one. The only broadly available federal photo ID is the passport.

Requiring a driver's license, passport, or equivalent is unconstitutional, though. This is because even non-driver equivalents cost money in most places, making it an unconstitutional poll tax. That's why even the places with strict voter ID laws allow really strange forms of identification - they rely mostly on people not knowing this.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

armitron wrote: post #135
paulryanrogers wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep in mind many non-voters aren't laying around on the couch, but working multiple jobs trying to pay rent and healthcare. Our unitary president is talking about restricting mail in voting and taking other measures to ensure the desired outcome. He's already resorted to sending fake electors, demanding votes be 'found', and inciting violence to interrupt the results of elections he doesn't like. (And pardoni…

Trump is trying hard to get voter id passed (common sense in Europe) and he’s obviously not doing that because he wants to cheat in elections. Your characterization is therefore misguided in the extreme. We only need to look at states like California and their complete absence of voter id to realize where and for whom rampant election fraud takes place.

Voter ID in a country without universal identification is just disenfranchisement. In the US, by and large you either have a driver's license, or no form of identification. Sure, states have non-driver's IDs available, but very few people have them. Somewhere between 5% and 10% of the population have zero up-to-date photo identification.

Voter fraud (people voting twice, voting illegally, etc) is basically a non-issue, especially in California where our elections are rarely so close that the marginal amount that's estimated to happen matters. Disenfranchisizing 9% of the population is a big fucking issue.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by mixmastamyk »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #123
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #120

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If that explains most/all of it, why don't we see more tech companies moving into areas of the US with low housing prices? I guess some of it is the "captive" effect for an individual - if you leave the expensive property market for somewhere cheaper with a lower salary, it becomes very hard to move back to the expensive place. But is that a strong enough effect? Surely an efficient free market should theoretically m…

Many expanded to Texas, for example. Also Hollywood left LA. There aren’t any/many desirable locations left in the US that have low housing costs.

People perhaps don't like the word desirable here. What I meant is not just pretty streets, but many other factors, such as nearby industry, infrastructure, educated workforce (in the thing you need), reasonable weather/sunshine, etc.

Yeah, you can find something cheap, but often it is cheap for a reason. Especially when the whole country has a housing shortage. I'm sure Alaska is beautiful, for example.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by lisbbb »

My former employer, a consulting company, just bought out a small dev consulting firm in...wait for it...Guatemala! Yes, Guatemala. Because as you all well know, Guatemala has such a long and cherished history of providing skilled software developers to the world. Oh, oh, wait, no, sorry, it's because they're really, really cheap. The main advantage of Guatemala over India is the time zone, that's it. And $5/hr or whatever those chumps are getting. I don't even think Guatemala has electricity 24/7 in most parts of the country.

It's all over for American tech dominance. MBAs sold us all out.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by lisbbb »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they were opening a new campus in India and hiring 12,000.

Thomson Reuters has a beautiful campus somewhere in India while they closed down the main office in the US and sold the land. The once-thriving tech campus in the US is no more.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by lisbbb »

ozim wrote: post #75
agentcoops wrote: post #64

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I don't disagree, but this has been the trend since the 1990s. This was the whole question of "globalization" and all the debates about NAFTA etc. The only anomaly was that people came to believe (in 2020? maybe even 2016...) that "globalization was over" and that now we saw the reverse trend. That seems to be leading people to now believe that this offshoring is something new, when the most likely interpretation is…

Seems like you missed H1B visa rules change. They basically move all H1B from US to India not to deal with $100k per employee. Nothing changes just Indian guys move back to India and will be spending money there instead of sending some money there.

We don't even know yet because it doesn't take effect until 2026.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by lisbbb »

malfist wrote: post #93
DebtDeflation wrote: post #80

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Labor really is not fungible that way. On shore H1B Indians generally are higher skilled than offshore Indians, perform different roles at companies, and are paid more. Many of them could have chosen different careers than Tech and likely will if they move back to India.

Or: instead of talented software engineers around the world being drawn to the US, they stay home and build deep talent pools in their home country or in the next non-US SV. In the long run the onshore/offshore becomes less and less about quality and cost tradeoffs. We're giving away our long term dominance of tech for xenophobia and the possibility of short term job growth

It's not xenophobia anymore--when major percentages of US grads, of all ethnicities, can't find jobs, there is a fundamentally larger issue at stake here.
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