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Re: The Apple Reaper

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Post by fpgeek »

simonh wrote: post #100
fpgeek wrote: post #94

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> First and most importantly lets highlight an exceptionally important issue that well equipped web developers _always_ seem to forget: 2.X was 84% of Android market share as recently as a month ago. ICS and Jellybean are tiny by comparison. Fair point, but... the overwhelming majority of those users (2.2+) can use the latest Firefox, nearly all of them (1.6+) can use the latest Opera and most (2.3+) will be able to…

So in theory Android browser feature support could be mostly ok, but in practice it isn't and won't be for the foreseeable future?

Some number of years ago you could have said exactly the same about Windows XP.

Re: The Apple Reaper

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Post by rizumu »

"He recites 11.2 to me. I again attempt to explain in detail how the app works, how Stripe works, and how we use Stripe with the various apps and products we have. He stands firm."

I once had this argument with a tech over a macbook apple care repair. My screen cable was broken, no display. They opened and found a coffe stain on the case from many months prior. He said I had water damage. I asked what part is damaged by the water. We must have went back and forth 20+ times on this detail. Nothing was damaged by the water, they found an old stain on the case!

After shipping it to them twice with no repair, finally I cleaned it out entirely with a qtip and took it to an authorized service center. Fortunately the tech there was able to negotiate the claim for the busted cable.

Was it because I already have a few apple care repairs and was near the end of my term? No, the phone operator was trained robotically to repeat the same nonsensical phrase ad infinitum.

Re: The Apple Reaper

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Post by kalleboo »

psychotik wrote: post #38
cooldeal wrote: post #33

Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems. Walled garden and 30% forced cut of app sales is one thing, but a forced 30% cut of every in-app sale is like erecting a toll booth on all apps. Gruber's explanation of "Apple does it because it can, and the people complaining are just jealous that Apple can and they can…

"Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems." The Android Developer TOS says that any other in-app payment system isn't legal, and grounds for your app being removed from the app store. I haven't studied it, but I suspect Microsoft's ToS will say something similar too. Edit: Android's DDA section 3.3 and 4.5 disal…

Two things:

- Reading the Android ToS, it sounds far less restrictive. 3.3 says that if your apps has a "upgrade to full version" option, it has to be their payments. 4.5 says you can't sell alternative markets. Neither is anywhere as broad as Apple's "anything you sell must be charged as an in-app purchase", which applies to things like Dropbox subscriptions, etc.

- On Android, you can always just distribute your app online to be sideloaded if you don't like the Market. Or distribute in an alternative market like Amazon or GetJar. On iOS, Apple's store is the only way to get on the device.

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Post by [deleted] »

fpgeek wrote: post #72
psychotik wrote: post #38

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"Well, I am just glad that Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 store apps don't have this stupid restriction if you don't use their payment systems." The Android Developer TOS says that any other in-app payment system isn't legal, and grounds for your app being removed from the app store. I haven't studied it, but I suspect Microsoft's ToS will say something similar too. Edit: Android's DDA section 3.3 and 4.5 disal…

The language isn't as restrictive as you're suggesting. Here's the quote from section 3.3: "All fees received by Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be processed by the Market's Payment Processor. " The key distinction is that this doesn't apply to products not distributed by the Market, like eBooks and mp3 hosted and sold externally (see: Amazon, B&N, Kobo, ...). Hell, you can even buy physical g…

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Post by gurkendoktor »

spaghetti wrote: post #58
seunosewa wrote: post #52

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Apple's review process is unreasonably strict because it hurts them more to approve a bad app than to disapprove a good app. Apple takes responsibility for every user's iOS experience; people will blame them if an app ruins it.

I'm not sure if approving a bad app hurts Apple. If the app is truly awful customers can get a refund. Also the app store has some sort of collaborative filtering in place. Namely apps that are highly rated and/or downloaded a lot and/or some other reasons bubble up to the top. So apps that stink will just float to the bottom. Is Google hurt when a bad webpage makes it into the search index? Not really. In general it…

Approving a bad flashlight app might not hurt Apple, but a bad app for payments certainly would.

Re: The Apple Reaper

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Post by gurkendoktor »

josteink wrote: post #96
udpheaders wrote: post #89

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So Gruber is some kind of paid blogger for Apple? His stuff always ends up on the front page of HN. What's up with that?

The church of Apple likes reading nice things about itself. There's lots of people religiously invested in Apple here on HN, which seems to have Apple (and it's share-price) as the better part of their identity. It's a bit awkward for sure.

The postings by Gruber that make it to the HN front page are not nearly that one-sided.

Re: The Apple Reaper

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Post by billycoover »

batista wrote: post #10

"Apple: “If your app is cross-platform, then 11.2 does not apply and this problem goes away" Me: "Really, so if I build an Android version and launch it, I’m good?" Apple: "Yes” Is the above right? Doesn't seem to hold. If it is so, why does the Kindle app still seem to obey the 11.2, despite being cross-platform?

I confirmed with Apple this morning that this is not the case. Update the blog post: http://coovtech.com/posts/the-apple-reaper/

Re: The Apple Reaper

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Post by billycoover »

vonwaldek wrote: post #91

i read your blog post and feel as though your product is worth while to continue spending time and effort on. i applaud efforts towards improvement

Thanks for the feedback. The app has since been approved. Blog post updated with details: http://coovtech.com/posts/the-apple-reaper/

Re: The Apple Reaper

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Post by eridius »

cageface wrote: post #84
fpgeek wrote: post #74

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Not that I disapprove of the sentiment, but wasn't announcing the reason you were dropping support the equivalent of waving a red flag in front of a bull?

Yes, but I thought they'd be professional enough to at least let me know they were removing them from the store listings. Instead they just yanked them without notice and let me deal with the customer fallout.

I'm pretty sure what you did was a very clear abuse of the description field for your apps. When you very blatantly flaunt the rules and use them to publicly insult your host, what exactly were you expecting to happen?
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