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Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Looking at who you elected (twice!!) I don't know how wrong they are.

The man who just instituted a policy requiring companies to pay $100k per H1-B visa? Maybe US voters aren’t so stupid after all.

> Maybe US voters aren’t so stupid after all.

They are still waiting for cheap groceries and that’s what they voted for!

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives. Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point.

The problem is that hiring an American is so expensive even for America. This will not change. People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected or to have the jobs taken elsewhere.

The root cause of the problem is exactly why Chinese clone products and cheaper versions are on the run. They are in inferior quality many times BUT they are way cheaper. American people buy Chinese products because there is not enough money to spend everywhere, so we stretch our definitions of what is acceptable to cover more areas of our lives.

These recent changes only seems to be effective but do effectively nothing to solve any of the problems. But let's say magically all immigrants disappeared and companies needed to find replacements, what would happen?

- Companies will look to outsource to keep prices at same level - Companies will use AI for whatever is "good enough" - Companies will hire much less capable people and boost them with AI - Companies will hire capable people but pay less because they could have hired someone cheaper - Companies will be forced to pay more for Americans, mean average salary will increase so as every cost, which is basically inflation.

The expedite use of "urgent/emergency" measurements is unsettling as-if US was under constant attack and panic and needs to defend themselves against evil outside world to a level where congress and laws can be totally ignored.

This need of creating an enemy and the constant threat to solidify a heavy power that goes beyond any limits is in itself a threat. Even more now that a this power is being shared among those who can keep eyes and ears on you and your ears and eyes out of the real problems.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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I'm more of the belief that: - Layoffs would have happened anyway, natural cycle of shedding underperformers. - the current crop of graduates have too little AI experience from their education, and too little practical experience to be useful in an industry re-arranging itself. - the average developer quality (i.e. boot camps & curriculum) has dropped the value of "a developer" from a manager's perspective, up to the…

> the current crop of graduates have too little AI experience from their education

They probably have more "AI" (read: LLM) experience than working professionals. Not like chatGPT came out last week, they've had it their entire undergrad.

Also, that's like saying "they don't have enough experience using google" which is just absurd. You type shit into a text box and see what gets shat back out. If it doesn't work, you adapt it.

Prompt engineering is not hard. At best, it takes days-to-weeks learning how to prompt. I think people who are proud of themselves for spending hours carefully crafting prompts are trying to justify the time spent. It isn't hard.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives. Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point. The problem is that hiring an American is so expensive even for America. This will not change. People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected or to have the jobs taken e…

Well to keep salaries high, productivity will have to be increased, is that a surprise?

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives. Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point. The problem is that hiring an American is so expensive even for America. This will not change. People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected or to have the jobs taken e…

> This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives. Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point.

As I said in another comment, it's a theory that could fit the data but you are encouraged to propose other theories.

> This need of creating an enemy and the constant threat to solidify a heavy power that goes beyond any limits is in itself a threat. Even more now that a this power is being shared among those who can keep eyes and ears on you and your ears and eyes out of the real problems.

This I can fully agree on; and it is indeed the main threat that faces the West in my view. The other issues are distractions. Same now in the UK where immigration is blamed for problems (which I'm not saying there are no problems), but then the government proposes a digital ID as a solution. An extreme skeptic could at this point even argue that it seems like the problem was created on purpose to then "fix" it by draconian measures. I mean at what point do you move from incompetence to malice?

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Seems like you missed H1B visa rules change. They basically move all H1B from US to India not to deal with $100k per employee. Nothing changes just Indian guys move back to India and will be spending money there instead of sending some money there.

Labor really is not fungible that way. On shore H1B Indians generally are higher skilled than offshore Indians, perform different roles at companies, and are paid more. Many of them could have chosen different careers than Tech and likely will if they move back to India.

Why not just move US H1Bs back to India and keep paying them US wages? They will be filthy rich in India, their living standards will literally skyrocket. They will be highly unlikely to leave. And keep them on same roles as they did in US.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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What you describe is certainly possible, but it's not what's happening. You can go on Blind, Fishbowl, any work related subreddit, etc. and hear the same story over and over and over - "My company replaced half my department with H1Bs or simply moved it to an offshore center in India, and then on the next earnings call announced that they had replaced all those jobs with AI". There's a reason why "AI = Actually India…

The US is getting outcompeted by India, basically.

>The US is getting outcompeted by India, basically.

And it almost completely comes down to housing costs. If half of your $150k salary wasn't going directly into a landlord's pocket in the US, we would easily be able to compete.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives. Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point. The problem is that hiring an American is so expensive even for America. This will not change. People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected or to have the jobs taken e…

>>People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected

Or, perhaps, the executives and shareholders who have been primarily engineering how to take an ever-growing share of the pie to the degree they can accept to earn much less than expected

With CEO pay ratios growing from 25:1 to 400:1 in the past 60 years [0], that level of extraction is not producing any useful increase in output or value; it is simply one group skimming off the others.

[0] https://ceoworld.biz/2025/09/28/the-evolution-of-ceo-pay-dat...

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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You realize that the large country you're mentioning, with many opinions, still elect 1 president, who represents that large country with different opinions?

You realize that no more than a third of the people in the country actually voted for said president?

You realize, that it doesn't change the fact, that the elected president represents that large country with many opinions?
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