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Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by nis0s »

XorNot wrote: post #14
nis0s wrote: post #8

The hard truth for Americans (I am talking about Americans because most of these are large cap US companies) is that other countries are cheaper for the following reasons: 1) Companies can find comparably trained and educated workers in non-US countries at cheaper rates because the U.S. education system doesn’t discriminate against less performant students. The education systems in many other countries are competitiv…

> 3) The most expensive thing on the U.S. budget books for employers, employees and the government is social security and Medicare. Some countries simply deny their citizens and workers social security and access to welfare programs, which helps keep the cost of employing them down. Holy cope batman! A whole bunch of countries...just provide those things as government services too! You can employ whoever you want and…

Please actually look at the hard facts before you say this, not everywhere is Europe.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by Scarblac »

nis0s wrote: post #8

The hard truth for Americans (I am talking about Americans because most of these are large cap US companies) is that other countries are cheaper for the following reasons: 1) Companies can find comparably trained and educated workers in non-US countries at cheaper rates because the U.S. education system doesn’t discriminate against less performant students. The education systems in many other countries are competitiv…

And people in other countries are just way poorer, live in a society where everybody is way poorer, and therefore they are happy with way lower wages.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by CamelCaseName »

noja wrote: post #27
DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they were opening a new campus in India and hiring 12,000.

This would be illegal in other places.

Really? Which other places?

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by rco8786 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #23
DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they were opening a new campus in India and hiring 12,000.

Corporate America really thinks we are that stupid

They're not wrong. None of what GP said was widely reported anywhere.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #48

I'm more of the belief that: - Layoffs would have happened anyway, natural cycle of shedding underperformers. - the current crop of graduates have too little AI experience from their education, and too little practical experience to be useful in an industry re-arranging itself. - the average developer quality (i.e. boot camps & curriculum) has dropped the value of "a developer" from a manager's perspective, up to the…

> the current crop of graduates have too little AI experience from their education

Why would you need education to understand how to use the thing that means you don't need education

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by rco8786 »

noja wrote: post #27
DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they were opening a new campus in India and hiring 12,000.

This would be illegal in other places.

Example of a place where this would be illegal?

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by sfn42 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #44
sfn42 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at who you elected (twice!!) I don't know how wrong they are.

Friendly reminder that America is not a single person, but a very large country filled with many different opinions.

Yeah, I'm aware of how countries work thanks

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

I always thought a layoff/redundancy meant that not only does the employee loose their position, but the very position itself is eliminated.

Which means if the company hires a replacement for the same position including through a sponsored visa, then it's not a genuine layoff.

Nonetheless, I'm of the opinion that no single software engineer has yet lost their job to AI. It's simply not there yet.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by chasd00 »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they were opening a new campus in India and hiring 12,000.

I wouldn’t try to draw any conclusions from what Accenture does. The firm is grasping at straws now that they can no longer suckle at the taxpayer teat.

Re: Companies are lying about AI layoffs?

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Post by NoNameHaveI »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they were opening a new campus in India and hiring 12,000.

If you are looking for offshore proof employment it is worth noting that defense contractors are scrambling to find qualified help. 3 conditions: 1. Work on site typically 100% because classified systems are not 'net connected. 2. No drug use. Not even THC, even if your state "legalized" it. Still illegal at the federal level. 3. No criminal history, at least in the last 10 years. 4. Must pass a FBI background check and clearance interview.
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