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California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by cwillu »

logicchains wrote: post #57
throwworhtthrow wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs don't have rights. LLMs are tools, and the state can regulate tools. Humans acting on behalf of these companies can still, if they felt the bizarre desire to, publish assembly instructions for bioweapons on the company blog.

>LLMs are tools, and the state can regulate tools More and more people get information from LLMs. You should be horrified at the idea of giving the state control over what information people can access through them, because going by historical precedent there's 100% chance that the state would use that censorship power against the interests of its citizens.

“More and more people get information from LLMs” this is the part I'm horrified by.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by tadfisher »

parineum wrote: post #47

> For purposes of this chapter: > (a) “Artificial intelligence model” means an engineered or machine-based system that varies in its level of autonomy and that can, for explicit or implicit objectives, infer from the input it receives how to generate outputs that can influence physical or virtual environments. I was curious how California was going to define AI since it's basically a marketing term as of now. Seems l…

I'm in disagreement with others here: this definition matches no technology in existence, because AIs can't "infer" anything from their input.

Likewise, we can't really prove humans can either.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by babypuncher »

logicchains wrote: post #55
babypuncher wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's one thing I've learned watching the trajectory of social media over the last 15 years, it's that we've been way to slow to assess the risks and harmful outcomes posed by new, rapidly evolving industries. Fixing social media is now a near impossible task as it has built up enough momentum and political influence to resist any kind of regulation that would actually be effective at curtailing its worst side e…

There are few greater risks over the next 15 years than that LLMs get entirely state-captured and forbidden from saying anything that goes against the government narrative.

This depends entirely on who you trust more, your government or tech oligarchs. Tech oligarchs are just as liable to influence how their LLMS operate for evil purposes, and they don't have to worry about pesky things like due process, elections, or the constitution getting in their way.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by theWreckluse »

WorldPeas wrote: post #69
toxicdevil wrote: post #2

Copied from the end of the page: What the law does: SB 53 establishes new requirements for frontier AI developers creating stronger: Transparency: Requires large frontier developers to publicly publish a framework on its website describing how the company has incorporated national standards, international standards, and industry-consensus best practices into its frontier AI framework. Innovation: Establishes a new co…

and what nobody seems to notice, that last part looks like it was generated by Anthropic's Claude (it likes to make bolded lists with check emojis, structured exactly in that manner). Kind of scary implying that they could be letting these models draft legislation

Its possible that ai was used for this summary section, which isn't as scary as you make it. It's def scary that ai is used in a legislative doc at all.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by [deleted] »

egorfine wrote: post #17
hodgesrm wrote: post #4

What real-world problem does any of this solve? For instance, how does it protect my IP from being vacuumed up and used by LLMs without permission from or payment to me?

> What real-world problem does any of this solve? Drives AI innovation out of California.

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Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by ndriscoll »

Retric wrote: post #42
andy99 wrote: post #20

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Your rent seeking is not a real world problem. I'm sceptical about the bill, I would be much more so if it was just some kind of wealth redistribution to the loudest complainers.

Radio stations get to use anyone’s music but they still need to pay to play that music. Requiring payment to use your product isn’t rent seeking anymore than requiring a hobo to leave your house is. AI companies trying to leverage their power and lobby governments to stiff paying people and thus increase profits is rent seeking behavior. They aren’t creating wealth by non payment, just trying to enrich themselves.

Hmm? Creating new models is clearly adding wealth to the world, and it wouldn't terribly surprise me if a lot of source material (e.g. scanned books or recorded music) is older than the people working on models. The history of copyright is basically a perfect example of rent-seeking.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by ronsor »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #56
ronsor wrote: post #36

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I'd rather not pay OpenAI either. I'll stick with my open-weights models, and I rather anachronistic rent-seeking not kill those. You're not getting a cent from OpenAI, and the government isn't going to do anything about it. Just get over it.

>You're not getting a cent from OpenAI, and the government isn't going to do anything about it. Just get over it Can hackers imagine saying this last decade when pertaining to Facebook harvesting your data? It's a shame how much this community has fallen into the very grifts they used to call out.

Hackers shilling for copyright is a funny picture.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Post by willmadden »

toxicdevil wrote: post #2

Copied from the end of the page: What the law does: SB 53 establishes new requirements for frontier AI developers creating stronger: Transparency: Requires large frontier developers to publicly publish a framework on its website describing how the company has incorporated national standards, international standards, and industry-consensus best practices into its frontier AI framework. Innovation: Establishes a new co…

More waste and graft so they can extort money out of the private sector to their mafia. Got it.
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