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Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

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Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

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post #7

I wonder if Microsoft or Apple will oppose this bill. They haven't won all their patent lawsuits.

When did those two organizations become non-practicing entities? How are they relevant to a discussion on non-practicing entities who sue startups for protection money?

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

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post #14

I've posted this a few times on HN. The solution to this problem is, in my humble opinion, very simple. Rather than presenting a divided community to trolls, we have to present a united front. This would come in the form of a legal support organization that would be 100% dedicated to fighting trolls on behalf of it's members. Call it insurance, if you will. Member companies would pay a monthly or yearly membership fe…

While this is certainly a good idea, what happens when one member from the organization tries to sue another? Back to square one?? I'm just curious, I'm no patent lawyer either.

Just needs to precise definition of patent troll to be right and only have the cross licensing in place when specifically defending against one.

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

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I've posted this a few times on HN. The solution to this problem is, in my humble opinion, very simple. Rather than presenting a divided community to trolls, we have to present a united front. This would come in the form of a legal support organization that would be 100% dedicated to fighting trolls on behalf of it's members. Call it insurance, if you will. Member companies would pay a monthly or yearly membership fe…

RPX Corporation was created to be the white knight that you describe. It is a for-profit company with a $600M mkt cap. Kleiner, CRV and Index invested significant capital in it (I believe Kleiner incubated it).

Basically, your company pays a % of revenues to be part of their patent protection scheme. They get to license your patents, which they allow other members to use. They purchase patents outright as well (though haven't been able to compete with bids from Apple, Google, Microsoft and the like).

From their website: "Our pioneering approach combines principal capital, deep patent expertise, and client contributions to generate enhanced patent buying power to manage patent risks and ongoing costs. By acquiring potential problem patents, we significantly reduce patent assertions directed at our client network. We will never assert or litigate the patents in our portfolio."

This doesn't solve the problem of large companies litigating frivolous patent claims, though it does fight against patent trolls.

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

#24
post #2

The SHIELD Act is a great step, but I wonder how this will fare against the patent troll practice of setting up separate legal entities specifically for litigating individual patents? If they lose, they declare bankruptcy and move on to the next shell corporation.

If they file bankruptcy they have to sell off their assets to raise money for their creditors- assets which include the patents themselves.

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

#25
The SHIELD Act does not strike me as the most effective way to attack this problem.

Presumably there are legitimate innovators who will not be as quick at execution as incumbent competitors. They may leverage themselves highly in order to try to scale up production, and afterwards will have scarce resources to hire legal representation.

Depending how open and shut the case looks, representation may take them on as clients anyway. This act would marginally decrease the likelihood that they would, whether it decreases it too little or too much is a legitimate concern.

Other industries than software are far more capital intensive. For instance most new drugs are not developed at the same companies that are the best at synthesizing compounds at scale and have the best distribution networks. However, investors assume the risk of funding expensive research, specifically because they know that in the rare case that it is successful, the large companies will buy the property rather than simply make it themselves.

The SHIELD Act could very well create a different model where all drug research had to take place under the umbrella of larger corporations that could fund expensive legal fights on short notice.

There is an overwhelming presumption that intellectual property is a sham in the software industry. Perhaps, software patents (and patents of business practices) generally slow progress more than they reward innovation. However, I don't understand how skepticism about the role of intellectual property protections has turned into uncritical acceptance that it only causes harm.

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

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I've posted this a few times on HN. The solution to this problem is, in my humble opinion, very simple. Rather than presenting a divided community to trolls, we have to present a united front. This would come in the form of a legal support organization that would be 100% dedicated to fighting trolls on behalf of it's members. Call it insurance, if you will. Member companies would pay a monthly or yearly membership fe…

If the patent troll doesn't produce anything, you have no power against them. They don't care if you own a million patents yourself, they can still sue you for infringement of their one patent with no fear of repercussions.

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

#27
post #14

I've posted this a few times on HN. The solution to this problem is, in my humble opinion, very simple. Rather than presenting a divided community to trolls, we have to present a united front. This would come in the form of a legal support organization that would be 100% dedicated to fighting trolls on behalf of it's members. Call it insurance, if you will. Member companies would pay a monthly or yearly membership fe…

While this is certainly a good idea, what happens when one member from the organization tries to sue another? Back to square one?? I'm just curious, I'm no patent lawyer either.

I obviously didn't work out all the details. I would imagine that there would have to be some kind of a mutual agreement to not go after member companies.

Also, in order to be accepted you can't be a pure IP business. You have to actually have products in the market. In other words, a real business.

Lots of details to work out mostly by legal minds.

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

#28
What about legitimate inventors, rather than patent trolls? There is a large element of uncertainty in any patent suit that has a trial by jury, and it is not at all uncommon for clearly legitimate patents to be found invalid by the jury.

The SHIELD Act sounds like it would make it effectively impossible for any small inventor who is not wealthy to sue a large infringer, because the risk of total ruin would be too high.

The way to address the patent troll problem is to address the ACTUAL cause of the problem (standards for issuing patents are too lax).

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

#29
post #26

I've posted this a few times on HN. The solution to this problem is, in my humble opinion, very simple. Rather than presenting a divided community to trolls, we have to present a united front. This would come in the form of a legal support organization that would be 100% dedicated to fighting trolls on behalf of it's members. Call it insurance, if you will. Member companies would pay a monthly or yearly membership fe…

If the patent troll doesn't produce anything, you have no power against them. They don't care if you own a million patents yourself, they can still sue you for infringement of their one patent with no fear of repercussions.

If you have enough money you countersue and aim to invalidate their patents. In other words, going up against you could result in the loss of their valued intellectual property.

Again, not a lawyer here, but I would imagine there are ways to cause trolls lots of financial and legal pain given enough money.

Re: Patent Trolls: Make Them Pay

#30
Patents ARE the problem... not some vague notion of a poor implementation of them.

It will still be profitable to troll for patents even with the SHEILD act. The problem is the very idea of owning information/process.

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