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UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by Bender »

dijit wrote: post #10
mothballed wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of the former colonies of the UK have chosen to secede from the UK. Is there any chance England might too?

No, English people still somehow tie their identity to the UK Government somehow. Scotland will not be granted another independence vote for at least 15 years, despite the last one being build upon a house of lies and nobody knows anything about what the Welsh think. I do think we’re witnessing the collapse of the UK, but more like a Roman Empire collapse - as in it’s happening over decades. Dying with a whimper, not…

Scotland needs to reinstate their king and conquer England to right the wrongs.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by whitehexagon »

Signed, but I guess it is gonna be one of those where they keep asking until they get the answer they want.

Where is the counter bill to block all future attempts of such privacy invading bills. Can the public draft new legislation like that? If so please ensures it blocks any dependency on smart phone ownership or other bigtech services.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by nprateem »

ZiiS wrote: post #12
nprateem wrote: post #8

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Are you suggesting A&E should not treat you if you are unluckly enough to land on your phone as you get run over etc? Or that prescription fraud cost anything close to what the government will spend implementing a major new IT system?

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Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by dalke »

dijit wrote: post #3

As well as the Estonia eID system works (aside from that time it got hacked[0] and that other time they leaked all the photos[1]) and how well a digital (non-government) system works in Scandinavia… I have to say… As a Dual British/Swedish Citizen, I really do not trust the UK government. They have proven over and over and over, that at every opportunity presented they will increase their own authority. I don’t belie…

The Swedish non-government system (BankID) doesn't work well for me. My Swedish identity must not be dependent on the permission of a US company nor the US government, while BankID requires both.

So far my BankID boycott is over a year old, and my resolve grows as I read more of the news.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by raesene9 »

dijit wrote: post #3

As well as the Estonia eID system works (aside from that time it got hacked[0] and that other time they leaked all the photos[1]) and how well a digital (non-government) system works in Scandinavia… I have to say… As a Dual British/Swedish Citizen, I really do not trust the UK government. They have proven over and over and over, that at every opportunity presented they will increase their own authority. I don’t belie…

The thing is, to me, the powers of the government to require more identification for different things is orthogonal to the idea of digital ID. We already have to identify ourselves in a variety of circumstances (e.g. mortgages, bank accounts, voting, using "adult" websites etc), and the gov. can get the information from various third parties on demand already.

Implementing those requirements didn't depend on there being a digital ID system. Instead we have a hodge podge of bad requirements (like "wet" signatures on specific documents, using of non-UK based private providers etc).

Implementing a digital ID system could reduce inequalities (for example, people who don't have passports and driver's licenses have more difficulties in some circumstances) and also reduce dependencies on non-UK orgs who may not do that well with privacy.

That's not to say there aren't risks of course, but other European countries seem to have managed to implement these systems without becoming totalitarian police states :)

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

Bender wrote: post #11
dijit wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, English people still somehow tie their identity to the UK Government somehow. Scotland will not be granted another independence vote for at least 15 years, despite the last one being build upon a house of lies and nobody knows anything about what the Welsh think. I do think we’re witnessing the collapse of the UK, but more like a Roman Empire collapse - as in it’s happening over decades. Dying with a whimper, not…

Scotland needs to reinstate their king and conquer England to right the wrongs.

That already happened: James VI of Scotland inherited the English (and Irish) throne. There's a pedantic sense in which the current English king is actually the Scottish king, not the other way around (although stronger pedantry would say the Hanoverian succession is sufficient to prove that whole line of reasoning a load of tosh). What would restoring the Scottish monarchy mean to you?

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by [deleted] »

SilverElfin wrote: post #9
n4r9 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much you're loading into "simply practicing free speech".

Go watch the videos and look up what was said. Most of them are clearly normal non violent free speech, but just politically not aligned to the current government’s platform. I’m not saying all are just doing free speech but am confident about most.

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Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by redeyedtreefrog »

France, Germany, Sweden, Estonia and India already have government id. However, this being hackernews there will never be a link to a well researched article on the pros and cons of introducing id cards (digital or otherwise), only conspiracy theories and confident declarations that id cards are a surefire symbol of authoritarian states. I don't know what I think, I lack sufficient knowledge to have an opinion. But I still know approximately 10,000x more about UK politics, economics and immigration than 99% of the people commenting here.
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