> Given consistent trends of exponential performance improvements over many years and across many industries, it would be extremely surprising if these improvements suddenly stopped. I'm sure people were saying that about commercial airline speeds in the 1970's too. But a lot of technologies turn out to be S-shaped, not purely exponential, because there are limiting factors. With LLM's at the moment, the limiting fac…
Yes exponential is only an approximation of the first part of S curves. And this author claims that he understands the exponential better than others…
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#22In passing the quiz-es
> Models will be able to autonomously work for full days (8 working hours) by mid-2026.
Who will carry responsibility for the consequences of these model's errors? What tools will be avaiable to that resposible _person_?
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Tehchno optimists will be optimistic. Techno pessimists will be pessimistic.
Processes we're discussing have their own limiting factors which no one mentiones. Why to mention what exactly makes graph go up and holds it from going exponential? Why to mention or discuss inherit limitations of the LLMs architecture? Or what is legal perspective on AI agency?
Thus we're discussing results of AI models passing tests and people's perception of other people opinions.
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#23[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function#Modeling_ear...
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#24https://situational-awareness.ai/from-gpt-4-to-agi/
IMO this approach ultimately asks the wrong question. Every exponential trend in history has eventually flattened out. Every. single. one. Two rabbits would create a population with a mass greater than the Earth in a couple of years if that trend continues indefinitely. The left hand side of a sigmoid curve looks exactly like exponential growth to the naked eye... until it nears the inflection point at t=0. The two curves can't be distinguished when you only have noisy data from tA better question is, "When will the curve flatten out?" and that can only be addressed by looking outside the dataset for which constraints will eventually make growth impossible. For example, for Moore's law, we could examine as the quantum limits on how small a single transistor can be. You have to analyze the context, not just do the line fitting exercise.
The only really interesting question in the long term is if it will level off at a level near, below, or above human intelligence. It doesn't matter much if that takes five years or fifty. Simply looking at lines that are currently going up and extending them off the right side of the page doesn't really get us any closer to answering that. We have to look at the fundamental constraints of our understanding and algorithms, independent of hardware. For example, hallucinations may be unsolvable with the current approach and require a genuine paradigm shift to solve, and paradigm shifts don't show up on trend lines, more or less by definition.
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#25> Instead, even a relatively conservative extrapolation of these trends suggests that 2026 will be a pivotal year for the widespread integration of AI into the economy: > Models will be able to autonomously work for full days (8 working hours) by mid-2026. At least one model will match the performance of human experts across many industries before the end of 2026. > By the end of 2027, models will frequently outperfo…
A couple of years is probably a bit tight, really, but I'm competing for that cash with other people so the timeframe we make up is going to about the lowest we think we can get away with.
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#26As they say, every exponential is a sigmoid in disguise. I think the exponential phase of growth for LLM architectures is drawing to a close, and fundamentally new architectures will be necessary for meaningful advances. I'm also not convinced by the graphs in this article. OpenAI is notoriously deceptive with their graphs, and as Gary Marcus has already noted, that METR study comes with a lot of caveats: [ https://g…
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#28I think the first comment on the article put it best: With COVID, researchers could be certain that exponential growth was taking place because they knew the underlying mechanisms of the growth. The virus was self-replicating, so the more people were already infected, the faster would new infections happen.
(Even this dynamic would only go on for a certain time and eventual slow down, forming an S-curve, when the virus could not find any more vulnerable persons to continue the rate of spread. The critical question was of course if this would happen because everyone was vaccinated or isolated enough to prevent infection - or because everyone was already infected or dead)
With AI, there is no such underlying mechanism. There is the dream of the "self-improving AI" where either humans can make use of the current-generation AI to develop the next-generation AI in a fraction of the time - or where the AI simply creates the next generation on its own.
If this dream were reality, it could be genuine exponential growth, but from all I know, it isn't. Coding agents speed up a number of bespoke programming tasks, but they do not exponentially speed up development of new AI models. Yes, we can now quickly generate large corpora of synthetic training data and use them for distillation. We couldn't do that before - but a large part of the training data discussion is about the observation that synthetic data can not replace real data, so data collection remains a bottleneck.
There is one point where a feedback loop does happen, and this is with the hype curve: Initial models produced extremely impressive results compared to everything we had before - there caused an enormous hype and unlocked investments that allowed more resources for the developed of the next model - which then delivered even better results. But it's obvious that this kind of feedback loop will eventually end when no more additional capital is available and diminishing returns set in.
Then we will once again be in the upper part of the S-curve.
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#29To replace humans in my workplace, LLMs need some equivalent of neuroplasticity. Maybe it's possible, but it would require some sort of shift in the approach that may or may not be coming.
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#30Their Covid example is a great counter argument to their point in that covid isn’t still growing exponentially.
Where the AI skeptics (or even just pragmatists, like myself) chime in is saying “yeah AI will improve. But LLMs are a limited technology that cannot fully bridge the gap between what they’re producing now, and what the “hypists” claim they’ll be able to do in the future.”
People like Sam Altman know ChatGPT is a million miles away from AGI. But their primary goal is to make money. So they have to convince VCs that their technology has a longer period of exponential growth than what it actually will have.