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Re: Learn to play Go

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Unfortunately, the early moves in the game ("Joseki") are the most important. They are also the most difficult to learn. It is essential to study these tactics in this website... if only because they are the only "ground truth" known about Go. But for rapid improvement, the only real way forward is to play lots and lots of games to learn how the early game flows. Direction of play, which side of the board is most imp…

> Unfortunately, the early moves in the game ("Joseki") are the most important. They are also the most difficult to learn.

Nah, they aren't the most important (you can do without), not are the usual ones particularly difficult to learn.

Source: I'm a European 4 Dan.

(To expand on this: if you're a beginner, joseki don't matter. When you become a strong player (several of my friends are professional players), joseki is something you can usually come up with, or you come up with a similarly good non-joseki move, which is also ok. Practically, the game is usually decided in middle game fighting.)

Re: Learn to play Go

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Go is a wonderful game. My older brother bought a Go set when I was a little kid and we played together. Now, 65 years later I need to give him a 9 stone handicap (I cheated by taking lessons from a South Korean Go Master and studying several books), but thanks to the wonderful handicap system, games can still be fun even when players have very different skill levels.

I randomly tried a few exercises on the linked web site - nicely done!

Off topic, but I wrote a commercial Go playing program in the late 1970s. This was a great hobby.

Re: Learn to play Go

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post #44

I've been playing Go with my spouses brother for a while. He had a lot of free time to studyGo back then, I didn't. I couldn't get a single win out of him, still I enjoyed every single game. We rarely play anymore, I should invite him over sometime :-)

I'm on the other side of this, meeting a friend two or three times a month to play Go and giving him a three stone handicap on a 13 by 13 board.

Sometimes I play a move with a huge, but hidden threat behind it. If he plays elsewhere instead of answering locally, I get to play a clever sequence and capture some stones. I could just wait for the blunder and win. Instead I give a quick lesson in tactics: here is my plan, if you want to play elsewhere, your move needs to have an even bigger threat behind it.

He is learning, and now I face my clever moves being player against me. This makes it harder for me to win (it is about 50:50 with the handicap), but also more fun for me to play.

You could ask your spouses brother for a "teaching game" or a larger handicap, or a bit of both.

Re: Learn to play Go

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Unfortunately, the early moves in the game ("Joseki") are the most important. They are also the most difficult to learn. It is essential to study these tactics in this website... if only because they are the only "ground truth" known about Go. But for rapid improvement, the only real way forward is to play lots and lots of games to learn how the early game flows. Direction of play, which side of the board is most imp…

> To put it in perhaps more concrete terms: playing a "tactic" position may net you +10 points across a sequence of 5 moves or so. (IE: One well placed tactical move, and ~4 followup moves may capture 5 enemy stones + 5 territory simultaneously from your opponent). However, every single early-game move is worth nearly +20 points of territory if played correctly. I'm serious.

I'm baffled by this comment. Both professional commentary and AI evaluation confirm that most joseki mistakes are very small, often on the order of 1-2 points, because the temperature is low. There are specific joseki that turn into fights (e.g. Taisha), and it is possible to lose 10-20 points in those, but first of all, it's typically possible to play conservatively and avoid those joseki, second, most errors in them are smaller, and third, mid-game fights end up being even bigger (an error in a capturing race can be an almost unlimited number of points, having 40 points at stake is common).

I'm curious what level you are? As a 4kyu (European), I can confidently say joseki is less important than reading up to my level. I believe stronger players say the same well into the amateur dan level.

Re: Learn to play Go

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Will I like go if I don’t like chess? Chess seems too one dimensional for me if that makes sense.

I like go and don't like chess, for the simple reason that getting good at chess requires a lot of memorization, while getting good at go doesn't. Having lots of openings and positions memorized to know the best moves automatically is not something that I personally find fun. In go there are some sequences of "standard" moves (joseki) but it's highly controversial whether memorizing them even helps at all, see anothe…

Chess has memorization; go has counting. Go endgames especially require a lot of counting. I don't think either skill is particularly fun.

Re: Learn to play Go

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post #32

Go is a great game, my wife and I always have a drive-by game going, we use 1 lid and swap it after we place a stone.

> we use 1 lid and swap it after we place a stone. What does "lid" mean here?

I suspect that each player has a bowl of stones, and they have 1 lid that covers those bowls. After taking a turn, the player puts the lid over their own bowl so that the other player can easily see that its their turn.

"Drive by" game, to me, sounds like they've got the board set up somewhere in the house, and make moves over the course of a day (days?), rather than sitting across from each other and having dedicated time for the game.

Re: Learn to play Go

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post #32

Go is a great game, my wife and I always have a drive-by game going, we use 1 lid and swap it after we place a stone.

> we use 1 lid and swap it after we place a stone. What does "lid" mean here?

I suspect they have two containers for pieces, and they put the one container lid on the container with their colour when they have played, revealing the other's pieces and indicating it is their turn to play.

It took me a bit to decode also.

Re: Learn to play Go

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One thing that stood out when I tried to learn and play Go was the tempo.

I'm a chess guy, and I like to play blitz with 5+0 and bullet (format equivalent to tik tok) so games tend to be frenetic, but it's quite rare to find a Go game on those formats, they tend to have 40+ min in time. And honestly, this is a big W for Go.

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