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Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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You footnote really describes why latex was not fine. I recently wrote a thesis in typst. I have written other thesis in latex. In latex i actually wrote in markdown and compiled to latex. I don't need that for typst. If typst can avoid enshittifaction over the next years, then I will stay with them.

You can still write in markdown and use pandoc to create typst.

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Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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Indeed! It undeniably succeeded at setting the standard for typesetting quality. Big ups to Don K.

It also brought typesetting to academic research, which means it's doing something that wasn't necessary before it arrived. I was one of the last holdouts from a bygone era. I finished my dissertation in physics, in 1993. It's neither typeset, nor even in a computer readable form. Some fellow students were already using LaTeX by that point (mostly high energy physics, the slowest to graduate of the physics specialtie…

You wrote an analog thesis about 31 years ago, analog31? You've been playing the long game with this account!

Appreciate the story, thanks for sharing. Can I ask what your thesis was on (in whatever way isn't too personally-identifying if that's a concern)?

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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I just gotta ask: what’s this trend of tech blogs to appear like 90s html? No typographical rules whatsoever, basic colours with outrageous contrasts. Does it make the blogs look more edgy and geeky? Is it a an artistic trend in web design? I’d love some insights from someone with a better sense of the situation

LWN is one of the most important journalistic outfits of the open source software world, not just some guy's blog. As the other commenter noted, it also dates to the '90s.

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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typst is so good! the syntax is cleaner, and it's much easier to write re-usable and clever formatting.

LaTeX will have a special spot in my heart, but it's pretty bloated (even minimalist distributions) and suffers from being an early pass at a problem.

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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The programming parts are very tempting, but I find the philosophy of the math mode input simplification to be questionable. E.g. automatically generating fractions from "/", or removing parentheses depending on whether they are redundant with other grouping. Those are all choices that I want explicit control over, and the most readable choice depends strongly on the details of the expressions. After some digging it's clear that all of that can be overridden without too much effort, but it still seems like a poor default for my use cases.

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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It's night and day. I'm a PhD student currently writing my thesis in Typst. On paper this is an absurdly risky decision: it's a new technology without a huge user-base, it's not totally stable yet, etc. But I tried Typst and I had no choice. It was obviously the right thing to do, even though I'm going to have to make a pixel-perfect clone of my university's LaTeX template. I've been using LaTeX for over ten years an…

I suspect it is getting better but I've experienced some breaking changes with Typst. Nothing that was terribly difficult to fix, debugging it wasn't obvious though.

There seems to be a huge amount of folks that want typst to work. I respect TeX and LaTeX, immensely, but it's so vast and byzantine. Maybe I don't know where or what, but some kind of clean LaTeX "distribution" is needed. It seems like you could build it in to containers or something. Just have some way that sort of makes it more of an atomic unit or something. I don't know how many times I've pulled down a template started to build it and something was missing.

It's good to see innovation in this space and people using it.

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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In my experience, formatting is just about the only thing that a department/university cares about (outside of the folks on the committee), and they will send back a thesis until they're satisfied with the formatting, and that means lost time. Perhaps throwaway_7274's department has a reputation for particular attention to (meaningless) detail.

While there are formatting guidelines, I've never seen them so specific that you could only easily do it in Latex. Is that really common? I've never actually see it as the assumed default option.. Maybe a decade back I could see that.. but not now.

I think there’s a Latex template you can use, or you have to make your own document that looks as similar as possible. It’s not a list of guidelines but a template that specifies how it’s supposed to look.

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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It's night and day. I'm a PhD student currently writing my thesis in Typst. On paper this is an absurdly risky decision: it's a new technology without a huge user-base, it's not totally stable yet, etc. But I tried Typst and I had no choice. It was obviously the right thing to do, even though I'm going to have to make a pixel-perfect clone of my university's LaTeX template. I've been using LaTeX for over ten years an…

You should check out this blog post about somebody who did the same! https://fransskarman.com/phd_thesis_in_typst.html

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

#229

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In my experience, formatting is just about the only thing that a department/university cares about (outside of the folks on the committee), and they will send back a thesis until they're satisfied with the formatting, and that means lost time. Perhaps throwaway_7274's department has a reputation for particular attention to (meaningless) detail.

While there are formatting guidelines, I've never seen them so specific that you could only easily do it in Latex. Is that really common? I've never actually see it as the assumed default option.. Maybe a decade back I could see that.. but not now.

The matter isn't really that something is possible only in latex, but that a department/university might have its own template/document class of arbitrary complexity that you would have to reimplement

Re: Typst: A Possible LaTeX Replacement

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I had been using LaTeX for 25 years. I gave it a try recently to write a technical paper and I was blown away. I saved so much time. The immediate feedback and the advanced features were impressive. I had to include a budget proposal in one of the chapters and I was able to create a quick script that read a csv file with the different concepts and costs. I would modify the contents of the csv file and the document would update right away. I didn't have to recompile the document as I used to do with LaTeX... the results were there, right away, beautifully formatted. I am very impressed and will definitely consider doing more work with Typst.
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