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CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#81
sorry for a dumb question but are old dead cells still dangerous just sitting around?

I discovered an ancient powerbank the size of a deck of cards that I had not charged in many years, was blown up like a football (imagine an a sealed envelope but full of air)

So that's a dead cell which shouldn't have a charge left but I guess the chemistry is releasing gas?

Scared me, wrapped it in aluminum foil and put it outside asap

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#82
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you even drain a 3.7V lithium ion battery below 3.3V? My devices that use 18650s will not let them go below that. Is it 3.3V nominal and the actual voltage is lower, like how they’re 4.2V fully charged?

> How do you even drain a 3.7V lithium > ion battery below 3.3V? Connect the + and - terminals with an appropriately sized resistor, it'll drain all the way to 0V. > My devices that use 18650s will > not let them go below that. Because you're not using the + and - terminals, you're using the + and - supply of a BMS, which is connected to those terminals. For this sort of testing you need to bypass the BMS, which'll h…

I understand you can discharge a battery completely with a resistor, just like any other capacitor. I also know there’s a battery controller in my device.

My actual question should’ve been ‘Do people really use lithium ion batteries in devices without battery managers?’ I absolutely would not.

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#83
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After we monitored many battery fires, we decided to build a casing which can sustain lithium fires for typical e-bike batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

I think you mean "contain". Very nice.

Indeed! Thanks :)

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#84
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After we monitored many battery fires, we decided to build a casing which can sustain lithium fires for typical e-bike batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

Your site (if this is your YouTube video) indicates Bosch compatibility with gen 2 motors[A]. I'm curious as to: 1. It says "Protocol implemented = no", but "Powers bike = yes", you can power a Bosch gen 2 motor without implementing the protocol, presumably this is referring to the CAN wire on the battery. 2. Your battery kit is 316 EUR without cells, and your BMS spare part is 99 EUR. If you can talk to Bosch motors…

Yes! We're compatible with Gen 1/2/3 (but not "smart system" yet!) the battery is indeed 316 eur + about 40/50 eur for the cells (while a comparable Bosch battery would be 700/800 eur)

Perhaps you can send us an email at contact@gouach.com with more details on your setup, so I can transfer it to the technical team?

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#85
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After we monitored many battery fires, we decided to build a casing which can sustain lithium fires for typical e-bike batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

Maybe complement that with a CT-scan of your batteries and AI to detect defects.

Would be interesting indeed! For now we don't build our own cells (the most important part for defects), in order to let our users choose their own depending on their needs (18650, 21700, brand, second-life, etc)

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#86
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After we monitored many battery fires, we decided to build a casing which can sustain lithium fires for typical e-bike batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

That's a great idea. Are you making a product or sharing the build?

We're building a product, but that's easy to adapt to many setup (we have many end-users mounting our battery on their e-bikes, for now we are compatible with most systems, Bafang, Brose, Bosch, etc, working on Shimano now)

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#88
Note that batteries that catch on fire are a form of what AI safety researchers would call unaligned AI. Incentive structures that lead to the production of unaligned dumb AI appear to be quite an under researched blind spot in AI safety research.

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

#89

I'm not sure who is in charge of advertising at lumafield but in the last few weeks I've seen James Hoffman use lumafield CR scans on coffee pucks, Jeff Geerling use them on a Pi 500+, and now this. I'm probably not their target market but I definitely know who they are now.

It's pretty smart, IMO. They are targeting the nerds watching tech videos in their offtime. That's a great way to plant their name into the heads of said nerds when the boss decides they need a CT scanner for whatever reason.
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