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Please inform me of an opensource way to run one that I can actually get configured properly.
Same for self-hosted mail...
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I find that people who complain about email volume are not only unfamiliar with setting up rules to file messages into folders, but entirely uninterested in learning how to leverage their tools that way. In fact, it seems many of them resent having to learn anything in order to be more productive, instead insisting the burden belongs on others. “I don’t want to get all that email, so it’s OK for me to make you visit…
It's replicated work for every person who wants to set up filters and notifications. Discord or whatever has defaults that don't require everyone to create their custom environment.
A lot of these arguments also apply to newsgroups (Usenet), however. It has the same features of being able to use whatever client you want, and can be archived. Archives can be searched fairly easily, although admittedly most will be incomplete (hence Deja and Google Groups back in the day). Some newsgroups are still active, but not many. Why? What went wrong?
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> You can run your own mail server and name server on top. The network of mail is very much federated. While I do completely agree with that in theory (and I also love mail) I think it does not stand the reality test because of email deliveravility which tends to be a nightmare. How do you solve this? Do you use a third party SMTP?
If you consistently don't receive mail you expect, then you stop giving money to your mail host and get a different one.
> you stop giving money to your mail host and get a different one.
I was entertaining the "host your own mail server" thought, I agree that if you don't host it yourself then you can change your provider if it fails you.
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> You can run your own mail server and name server on top. The network of mail is very much federated. While I do completely agree with that in theory (and I also love mail) I think it does not stand the reality test because of email deliveravility which tends to be a nightmare. How do you solve this? Do you use a third party SMTP?
I ran multiple mail servers for years until about 10 years ago (moved out of the industry). The deliverability problem, as far as I know, hasn't really changed that much in the last decade. The key was to configure DKIM, SPF, only use secure protocols and monitor the various black/block-lists to make sure you aren't on them for very long. In my experience, if you end up on a few bad lists, and don't react quickly, th…
This is where I disagree. In my opinion it might not be that hard but the maintenance is really not zero as you just described how you need a reputable IP as a prerequisite and constant monitoring of block lists.
Just having DKIM, SPF and DMARC really was not enough last time I checked for getting delivered to let's say outlook.
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You can run your own mail server and name server on top. The network of mail is very much federated. In mail we have so many freedoms. We have become so locked into technology that we have to introduce a term like “federation” to signify the interoperability and freedom of a single component. Mail is federation layered upon federation. The fact that you can just use a mailings list address as a member of another mail…
> You can run your own mail server and name server on top. The network of mail is very much federated. While I do completely agree with that in theory (and I also love mail) I think it does not stand the reality test because of email deliveravility which tends to be a nightmare. How do you solve this? Do you use a third party SMTP?
And then there are many mail providers other than Gmail. It's just that nobody cares and probably the fact that a ton of (most?) people were forced to create a Gmail account by Google.
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If you consistently don't receive mail you expect, then you stop giving money to your mail host and get a different one.
It's not about receiving. Receiving is the easy part. It is about the delivery of your own mail. > you stop giving money to your mail host and get a different one. I was entertaining the "host your own mail server" thought, I agree that if you don't host it yourself then you can change your provider if it fails you.
Even if you host it yourself :-). The key is to own your domain.
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Minimal privacy risk is such a BS "advantage". You put your email out there for everybody to read it. So privacy with mailing lists does not exist If I want to remain anonymous, I need to register another email address, which is a massive pain in the ass to register AND then to read or reply to the mailing list. With a forum I register, chose an anonymous nickname and can participate and get updates into my normal in…
Also, SMTP straight up leaks your IP address when sending e-mails (the "Received" header.)
At least with email, you're in control of what shows up in your inbox as well as message routing with filters of your choice
I hate mailing lists, even if I recognize some of their benefits. A forum like Discourse is infinitely better in usability - to view, browse, search, follow specific threads or forums and mute the rest, do DMs, do real nested replies, embed rich media and code with proper formatting and just have a nice interface to work with. It looks like they even support ActivityPub federation recently. Although its GPL not MIT.…
the UI/UX of discord is definitely nice, but the /ethics/ of discord isn't.
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> You can run your own mail server and name server on top. The network of mail is very much federated. While I do completely agree with that in theory (and I also love mail) I think it does not stand the reality test because of email deliveravility which tends to be a nightmare. How do you solve this? Do you use a third party SMTP?
The fact that it is a nightmare is a bit of a myth. Granted, not everybody can do it, but that's not necessary. And then there are many mail providers other than Gmail. It's just that nobody cares and probably the fact that a ton of (most?) people were forced to create a Gmail account by Google.
I agree to some extent. But it is more involved than deploying a Discourse instance in my opinion.
> And then there are many mail providers other than Gmail. It's just that nobody cares and probably the fact that a ton of (most?) people were forced to create a Gmail account by Google.
100% agree. This is the tradeoff I went for. I would love for it to be easier to self host but you can definitely use another provider.