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CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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I just got a new tenant in my rental house and this time I had to add a clause to the lease enumerating brands of lithium-ion batteries the tenant is allowed to keep on the premises. These things are basically grenades that you can buy for $2 on Temu. Stronger regulations needed.

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #12

I just got a new tenant in my rental house and this time I had to add a clause to the lease enumerating brands of lithium-ion batteries the tenant is allowed to keep on the premises. These things are basically grenades that you can buy for $2 on Temu. Stronger regulations needed.

Won't help much. Way too much cheap lithium ion crap with incapsulated batteries is flooding the markets

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #8

After we monitored many battery fires, we decided to build a casing which can sustain lithium fires for typical e-bike batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

Neat. How do bikes that have the battery entirely inside the metal downtube compare?

Edited: Now that I looked at your product I have low expectations for an unbiased answer :-|

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #12

I just got a new tenant in my rental house and this time I had to add a clause to the lease enumerating brands of lithium-ion batteries the tenant is allowed to keep on the premises. These things are basically grenades that you can buy for $2 on Temu. Stronger regulations needed.

Won't help much. Way too much cheap lithium ion crap with incapsulated batteries is flooding the markets

It does help. It raise the opportunity to discuss it, which is helpful because not everyone is aware that this is a problem, and like many other lease clauses it is there to assign blame in case an exceptionally bad event comes to pass.

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #8

After we monitored many battery fires, we decided to build a casing which can sustain lithium fires for typical e-bike batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

Your site (if this is your YouTube video) indicates Bosch compatibility with gen 2 motors[A]. I'm curious as to:

1. It says "Protocol implemented = no", but "Powers bike = yes", you can power a Bosch gen 2 motor without implementing the protocol, presumably this is referring to the CAN wire on the battery.

2. Your battery kit is 316 EUR without cells, and your BMS spare part is 99 EUR. If you can talk to Bosch motors then presumably this is where that special sauce is.

I for one might be interested in just something that serves to talk with the Bosch motor, and allows one to provide any arbitrary 36v source, do you or anyone else make/sell such a thing?

E.g. for range extending a cargo bike I'd find the cost/weight ratio of a beefy ~1220 Wh AGM 12v car battery coupled with a boost converter much more appealing than something that emulates the form factor of a ~500 Wh Bosch battery with Li-Ion 18650 cells, the range more than makes up for the extra weight.

A. https://infinite-battery.com/pages/compatibility-guide-of-th...

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't help much. Way too much cheap lithium ion crap with incapsulated batteries is flooding the markets

It does help. It raise the opportunity to discuss it, which is helpful because not everyone is aware that this is a problem, and like many other lease clauses it is there to assign blame in case an exceptionally bad event comes to pass.

Nah, tenants will sign just to move in, and forget about this clause. Just like any tenant that smokes weed disregards no drug clauses. Tenants are going to do what tenants do. Unless you're doing routine walk throughs looking at every single thing in the place that could use a battery, then you'll never know. It's a useless "regulation", and we have plenty of those in the world already.

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #8

After we monitored many battery fires, we decided to build a casing which can sustain lithium fires for typical e-bike batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

Maybe complement that with a CT-scan of your batteries and AI to detect defects.

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #4

I find their table of advertised vs actual capacity to be misleadingly negative. They only discharged to 3v. 2.7 could be viewed as more standard. 2.5 is not unheard of. For example, the vapvell 4000 they said was around 3000. They even have a note that says that isn't a reasonable capacity estimate. And yet they still put the percentage and the number. As if they've falsely advertised. However, if you go to vapcell'…

How do you even drain a 3.7V lithium ion battery below 3.3V? My devices that use 18650s will not let them go below that. Is it 3.3V nominal and the actual voltage is lower, like how they’re 4.2V fully charged?

Re: CT scans of 1k lithium-ion batteries show quality risks in inexpensive cells

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post #12

I just got a new tenant in my rental house and this time I had to add a clause to the lease enumerating brands of lithium-ion batteries the tenant is allowed to keep on the premises. These things are basically grenades that you can buy for $2 on Temu. Stronger regulations needed.

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