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Re: Open Social

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Post by verdverm »

tetrisgm wrote: post #161
verdverm wrote: post #136

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So it sounds like multiple things then 1. Run the PDS, many people who would not group themselves with technical folks do this. (data hosting, handles) 2. Use or create an alternative client app, depending on if you want to intermingle Bsky data 3. Relay, moderation, algorithms. If you want to divest completely from Bluesky, there is more to run. If you build your own lexicon, you have to do all the moderation and al…

I think 1 is the main thing. We have our own posts and UI but we just want to give people usernames and a way that shares posts in a way that interop with Bluesky. Any advice on a simple way to self host a PDS?

https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds

There are also a couple of discord channels and even a server for PDS self-hosters

https://discord.atprotocol.dev

Re: Open Social

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Post by jrowen »

foltik wrote: post #146
jrowen wrote: post #98

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So mysterious, so edgy. Hope you at least feel better, because you've utterly failed to communicate a coherent idea.

Did we read the same article? It spends so many words answering these exact questions with examples and helpful illustrations! Your question: > why should they care that they don't "own" their Instagram post, whatever that means? From the article: > The web Alice created—who she follows, what she likes, what she has posted—is trapped in a box that’s owned by somebody else. To leave it is to leave it behind. On an ind…

In fairness to you, I had originally skimmed the article and did later realize that some of my points had been addressed. In fairness to me, in this subthread I was responding to other commenters and asking them questions rather than commenting directly on the article itself.

At this point my argument is that the ability to switch providers is not a major concern to most users of these platforms. I don't want a generic social media hosting provider. I want the Facebook experience, or the Instagram experience, or the Twitter experience. I'm happy to be in the garden and on the rails because it's easy and tightly curated. I don't want some Frankenstein amalgamation of data from all these things. I don't want to shoehorn my Instagram world into something else.

Re: Open Social

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Post by INTPenis »

This has already been covered many times but the design of the AT protocol requires a lot more resources than AP. Meaning it will be reserved for large organizations, while AP has a lower entry of threshold.

I want both to thrive, but I prefer AP for small communities.

Re: Open Social

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Post by bonoboTP »

How does blacklisting / moderation etc. work here. How does blocking work? How do people make sure to distance themselves from political enemies? Do the aggregator cache servers block certain user domains? How do you ensure that the aggregator returns valid and non-forged comments and likes?

Re: Open Social

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Post by tetrisgm »

psnehanshu wrote: post #166
tetrisgm wrote: post #124

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I’d prefer running our own thing separate from bluesky. We’d give people something like username.page.app and they’d make posts there. If people wanna follow on bluesky they can, and we provide a username that’s just the url. I know we can do all this by just posting to Bluesky. But I want to give usernames, host the data on our end, and I’d prefer using the protocol but not be directly associated or dependent on Blu…

You mean you want to host the personal repositories (PDS) for your users?

Ideally yes!

Re: Open Social

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Post by tetrisgm »

steveklabnik wrote: post #158
tetrisgm wrote: post #124

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I’d prefer running our own thing separate from bluesky. We’d give people something like username.page.app and they’d make posts there. If people wanna follow on bluesky they can, and we provide a username that’s just the url. I know we can do all this by just posting to Bluesky. But I want to give usernames, host the data on our end, and I’d prefer using the protocol but not be directly associated or dependent on Blu…

Okay, so this sounds like you'd want to run an appview + pds. (and possibly a relay, depending on some details.) Except for one thing: > or dependent on Bluesky. If you want to take this to an extreme, and are uncomfortable with how did:plc has not yet moved into its own org, then you'd want to also run your own plc server, etc. The problem with doing this is: > If people wanna follow on bluesky they can You lose thi…

Thank you for the detailed answer! Totally comfortable with the did implementation. Just trying to separate from their brand and just use the standard :)

We already built our own platform independently from Bluesky, so we have a timeline in the wrong post and everything. I’m just trying to give our users into opera ability. So that when they make a post on our platform, people can also follow your Bluesky and see on their timeline. Am I correct to assume then that we would not require our own app view?

Re: Open Social

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Post by BinaryIgor »

woah wrote: post #169
BinaryIgor wrote: post #168

Sometimes I wonder - maybe websites were enough? Most people on most platforms are readers/consumers, not producers anyways. Maybe having a personal website was a good filter for publishing after all? Maybe personal websites + sites like hackernews that allows us to discuss our and other people's work is the best the Internet could be.

Maybe pianos were enough. Radio has made it so families no longer gather round and sing in the evenings and TikTok is even worse than radio

It depends; not everything that's newer is automatically better.

Web and websites did the heavy lifting of instant and world-wide information sharing.

With social media, open or closed, there are many non-obvious tradeoffs; I am not sure whether on the whole, we are better off with or without them - time will tell

Re: Open Social

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Post by dgaffney »

jrowen wrote: post #157
dgaffney wrote: post #128

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It’s pithy because the request is pithy- if I have to explain the mechanisms at work here i doubt you’re ever going to buy into the theory at all. A short version is what Dan already said - the entire economic foundation of social media is predicated on high exit costs. ATProto takes substantive steps to lower them. The theory in turn is that new businesses will need to develop less extractive models of viability to…

the entire economic foundation of social media is predicated on high exit costs No I think it's predicated on creating a product that people like to use. That's the Step 1 that OSS zealots miss when they focus entirely on these niche lofty ideals. I highly doubt the average Instagram user is yearning for - or would even be enticed by - a version of that same experience that has a lower exit cost. That's the problem w…

lol, ok

Re: Open Social

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Post by eikenberry »

fruitworks wrote: post #88
notatoad wrote: post #41

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okay, so why aren't you doing that. if you can offer domains for $1, you can undercut all the existing players by a huge margin. that's a big opportunity, no?

You would need to pay the ICANN fief

Everyone would get a subdomain and so you only need to pay for 1 TLD.. that's <$20US/year.
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