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Apple's Claimed Private Data Flows Pass Through Amazon Infrastructure
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#12> This appears inconsistent with Apple’s privacy statement that such system data “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties.”
As I recall, this statement was specifically about Apple Intelligence. It was for their AI that couldn’t be done on-device, and wasn’t going to ChatGPT after user authorization.
It was not a general statement that all Apple endpoints are in-house.
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#13> This appears inconsistent with Apple’s privacy statement that such system data “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties.” As I recall, this statement was specifically about Apple Intelligence. It was for their AI that couldn’t be done on-device, and wasn’t going to ChatGPT after user authorization. It was not a general statement that all Apple endpoints are in-house.
So Apple can't ever really claim it is in control of your data. Marketing teams can dance the red tape but can they fulfill the promise?
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#14> This appears inconsistent with Apple’s privacy statement that such system data “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties.” As I recall, this statement was specifically about Apple Intelligence. It was for their AI that couldn’t be done on-device, and wasn’t going to ChatGPT after user authorization. It was not a general statement that all Apple endpoints are in-house.
So Apple can't ever really claim it is in control of your data. Marketing teams can dance the red tape but can they fulfill the promise?
Having servers in AWS doesn’t mean they are public.
And what’s the alternative? Google? Their business model is based on collecting and using user data to increase profits in their AdWords business.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Apple can't ever really claim it is in control of your data. Marketing teams can dance the red tape but can they fulfill the promise?
Having servers in AWS doesn’t mean they are public. And what’s the alternative? Google? Their business model is based on collecting and using user data to increase profits in their AdWords business.
Possible alternative - Apple making their “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties” claim true, by building & operating the required all-Apple infrastructure.
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#17Having both worked at Amazon and still in the cloud industry, to me this seems like a strange take. Apple leases these computers from Amazon like it would from any other colo. Why wouldn’t these servers be considered Apple servers? Barring a major privacy violation by AWS (which doesn’t seem likely), or some other sort of 0-day hack the data on these servers is entirely private to Apple.
Yes-ish. When you're making broad "trust us" claims to consumers - who don't know the industry or its practices, let alone the technical details - then the really honest approach is to follow those consumer's understanding of your promises.
Otherwise, they might end up feeling that they were duped by the weasel-words of a sleazy lawyer.
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#18> This appears inconsistent with Apple’s privacy statement that such system data “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties.” As I recall, this statement was specifically about Apple Intelligence. It was for their AI that couldn’t be done on-device, and wasn’t going to ChatGPT after user authorization. It was not a general statement that all Apple endpoints are in-house.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having servers in AWS doesn’t mean they are public. And what’s the alternative? Google? Their business model is based on collecting and using user data to increase profits in their AdWords business.
Possible alternative - Apple making their “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties” claim true, by building & operating the required all-Apple infrastructure.
> Apple making their “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties” claim true,
As far as I can tell, the article being discussed made up the ‘fact’ that Apple made such a claim.
I googled the ‘quote’ from the article This raises questions about Apple’s public privacy claim that such system data “never leaves Apple servers or goes to third parties.” and could not find any evidence that Apple actually made that claim. Even the phrase “leaves Apple servers” doesn’t get any hits to statements by Apple.
I also browsed https://www.apple.com/privacy but couldn’t find anything there that’s close to that statement.
The closest I found is a statement about Private Cloud Compute, where they say “If it requires greater computational capacity, it can draw on Private Cloud Compute and send only the data relevant to your task to be processed on Apple silicon–based servers” (https://www.apple.com/privacy/features/)
So, even there they do not claim they own those servers or that they are located in Apple’s data centers, but I think it can be inferred that they own them.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
When Apple says your data doesn't leave their servers, that doesn't mean those servers have to be in their own datacenters or that Apple doesn't have other vendors that help them deliver their service. It also doesn't mean those companies have access to your unencrypted data. That data also, by necessity, likely traverses other networks in encrypted form on its way between you and Apple.
Apple claims that data they are in full control of your data from Safari, Maps, and Spotlight etc.... Data center or not, this contradicts both the spirit and letter of that promise. This is basic logic.
If you have any evidence that Amazon is accessing the data of their leased tenants, that would be an earth shattering indictment of the entire cloud industry
It would be akin to accusing Datapipe or any other provider of pulling drives out of any client with racked servers in their data centers.