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Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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I realize I'm probably in the 0.001% by having this opinion (so don't take this as criticism or request for change or even a suggestion), but the reason I'm not buying this is the mechanical keyboard. Strongly prefer chiclet keyboards.

You can get the Pi 400 or 500 then. :-)

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

#232

All the marketing for this advertises it as a desktop computer. What's the appeal of this compared to a cheaper and more powerful N150 NUC, or a used mini PC if it's for personal use where you just need one? A N150 has about twice the CPU performance, hardware video decoding that isn't crippled, and much more software built for its architecture among other things.

> What's the appeal of this compared to a cheaper and more powerful N150 NUC, or a used mini PC

This is a very good question. The Pi 500+ is a beautiful product, but when compared in terms of price/value to the NUC and various other mini PCs, its value proposition is questionable.

Perhaps the target group are enthusiasts who had 8/16-bit "all-in-one" computers like Commodore64, Amiga, Atari, ZX Spectrum, Acorn etc., in their younger years and now want to buy something similar (non-x86) for themselves or force it on their kids. :)

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Jeff Geerling's video, the main PCB in the 500+ is identical to the 500, same revision and all. Presumably they planned both the 500 and 500+ at the same time so they designed a single PCB that could accommodate both, and then only populated the m.2 parts when building a 500+. So I don't think they "backed out" rather just didn't have the 500+ ready to launch yet.

Note that the mechanical keyboard is probably one of the major reasons the Pi 500+ took a lot longer to release than the regular 500. According to an interview on the Pi blog[1], it was "years", with prototypes being built through 2023. I know the design lifecycle for a product like this is in the 3-5 year range, and adding on a custom mechanical keyboard in a mass-market product like this is a tall order. Honestly I…

>It won't compete on the high end (IMO $200+)

Even low-midend mech keyboard like attackshark x75 will be better

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

#234

I'm confused by the use case for this. The keyboard gets a cable running to a monitor. Might need a power cable as well but let's assume usbc covers both. An alternative is a raspberry pi on the vesa mount, or attached to the monitor arm. The cable to a keyboard is now optional, wireless USB being much easier than wireless displayport. Keyboard can now be flat too. When is this a good idea?

So if they had made one change, it would be fantastic as a throw-in-the-backpack computer. That change would be to support display port alt-mode on a USB-C port, rather than only having mini-HDMI. If they'd done that, you could plug AR glasses like the XReal One straight into it, and not need a separate screen. Your entire compute becomes a keyboard+power, glasses, and wireless mouse. That would be really nice: two c…

and if you want to be extra sure, you should throw in a monitor into your backpacl

and tada, you made a laptop

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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post #207

That's a nice gadget. But now: raspeberry's company has tons of money and demonstrated its ability to deliver good quality, inexpensive computers. So WHY don't they make a linux mobile PHONE ? That would change a lot of things

The problem of a Linux phone is not the hardware, it's the software. Are you doing to run a desktop OS on it? No. And if you want something like Android but not Android itself, how are you getting enough quality apps made? What about things like banking apps, who is going to port those? While I would like a pure Linux phone, I think the only reasonable course of action is Android with something like Samsung's DeX on…

Idk, it's not obvious that you shouldn't run a desktop OS on a phone. What's yourr main issue with that?

You could run android apps in a Android container as needed.

I personally would very much like a device that's a pocketable desktop-OSed computer that can make phone calls and 2FA.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if they had made one change, it would be fantastic as a throw-in-the-backpack computer. That change would be to support display port alt-mode on a USB-C port, rather than only having mini-HDMI. If they'd done that, you could plug AR glasses like the XReal One straight into it, and not need a separate screen. Your entire compute becomes a keyboard+power, glasses, and wireless mouse. That would be really nice: two c…

and if you want to be extra sure, you should throw in a monitor into your backpacl and tada, you made a laptop

The point being that it's not a laptop. It's a proper no-compromises keyboard (ok, ish) with a cinema-screen-sized display that nobody can look over your shoulder at.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Any laptop you could buy 13 years ago for $25 would probably be parts only. So no, that's not true.

13 years ago, we only had the Raspberry Pi Model B at $35 (about $50 in today's money -- same as a 2GB Pi 5), and just as today we still needed to get all of the accoutrements in-place to make it work: A power supply that it actually works with, a case, an SD card, perhaps a wifi adapter... My time machine is a little rusty, but all that and a breadboard was about a hundred bucks around that time: https://www.linuxjo…

if you use the raspberry as computer(instead of developing platform), why buy breadboard and other glitter ?

The OG raspberry, with some cheap $5 mouse/keyboard, a $10 microsd, and you have a working computer for less than $50

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

#238

I realize I'm probably in the 0.001% by having this opinion (so don't take this as criticism or request for change or even a suggestion), but the reason I'm not buying this is the mechanical keyboard. Strongly prefer chiclet keyboards.

You can get the Pi 400 or 500 then. :-)

Ugh that's what I get for reading in a hurry... Didn't know these existed, thanks for the heads-up! Already ordered one

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

and if you want to be extra sure, you should throw in a monitor into your backpacl and tada, you made a laptop

The point being that it's not a laptop. It's a proper no-compromises keyboard (ok, ish) with a cinema-screen-sized display that nobody can look over your shoulder at.

good news, you can connect your laptop to cinema-screen-sized.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

#240
If this is like the RPI4 with a single global model I'm wondering how it passes FCC regs, in that presumably the Wi-Fi is flexible enough to transmit on illegal US channels (i.e. Ch 12-14 on 2.4).

Am I missing something?

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