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Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by Ekaros »

XorNot wrote: post #40
ceayo wrote: post #35

The 20 dollar minicomputer has now become the 200 dollar rgb keyboard. Still, I’ve tried and using a raspberry pi as a desktop computer but everything is so impractical. Maybe the pi 5 is better, but I do not believe it’ll ever replace normal desktop computers. Raspberry Pi’s started as a small board which you can even run Linux on, with low power consumption, so toucan run it day round for services like home assista…

By the inflation calculator that's dead on the money though: https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1960?amount=1 > $1 in 1960 is worth $10.95 today $20 * 10 = $200

I thought that computers were supposed to get cheaper over time?

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by avhon1 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #178
mjh2539 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy a near mint lenovo l14 gen 3 from 2022 for $200. I know this because I bought one for my in-laws a few days ago.

You don't get support and the laptop can fail on you on week 4 you're just SOL. I understand the value of second hand, and randomly bought a discarded corporate HP tower for my home server. But I see it more as a hobby as I can probably fix most issues, than as a purchasing strategy I'd recommend to non technical people for instance.

If you're really concerned, you can buy two $100 secondhand laptops. If one fails, you can use the other. Good secondhand laptops in that price range will be more like 8 or 10 years old, but still usable as basic daily computers.

I've had an excellent experience using secondhand business-class laptops. Several nonprofits I'm involved have nothing but these sorts of laptops, and I've only used secondhand laptops since 2019.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by avhon1 »

copperx wrote: post #195
mjh2539 wrote: post #160

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You can buy a near mint lenovo l14 gen 3 from 2022 for $200. I know this because I bought one for my in-laws a few days ago.

Why that specific model, tho? I'm looking for something like that. Are there other worthy models?

If you're interested in buying secondhand laptops, I strongly recommend you look at any "business-class" model from any manufacturer. Laptops that cost $1,000+ and are aimed at business fleets, rather than individual consumers. These laptops tend to be very well-made, are designed for commonly-broken parts to be easily replaceable, and are widely available secondhand as companies update their laptop fleets. Here's an incomplete list of manufacturers and series:

* Dell Latitude (except the budget 3xxx models) and Precision * HP EliteBook and ProBook * Lenovo ThinkPad X, T, and P series (in order from small & light to big & powerful) * Panasonic ToughBook (rugged!) and Let’s Note * Fujitsu Lifebook * Acer TravelMate and Extensa * Asus ExpertBook * Toshibe Portege and Tecra * Epson Endeavor

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by tjohns »

hamburgererror wrote: post #215

On the product page [1] they mention > 2.4GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU, with cryptography extensions What is "cryptography extensions"? [1] https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500-plus/

Accelerated hardware instructions for cryptographic primitives, like AES or SHA-256.

See: https://developer.arm.com/documentation/101754/0624/armclang...

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by geon »

makeitdouble wrote: post #157
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #130

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Or you just buy a below $200 laptop.

Below $200 laptops are way worse than what people imagine. Too many people look at ads, see something that looks like a laptop, and assume it's just a "no thrill" machine that mostly works. I've heard so many "how bad can it be?" hot takes as they've never used anything at that price. ※refurbished is another story, here we're talking about a new and under guarantee device so that wouldn't compare.

Yes. I bought a 200€ laptop a decade ago. It was on clearance sale, so no backsies. It was so bad I couldn’t in good conscience ask for more than 50€ when I sold it like 2 days later.

It was great on paper. But the quality of the touchpad was awful. And paired with win8, which relied heavily on touchpad gestures, it was basically unusable.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by xyzzy3000 »

soneil wrote: post #73
geerlingguy wrote: post #9

Nit: It's the Pi 500+ (the + was eaten up by HN's automated title sensationalism-removal, I guess) And I've posted benchmark data to my sbc-reviews repo here: https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/81 Performance-wise it's pretty much the same as the Pi 5 16GB (and can be slightly faster than the regular Pi 500 depending on the task, if it benefits from faster storage or more RAM...) Since this is the firs…

> Nit: It's the Pi 500+ I really want to hope the name is a nod to the Amiga 500+ (which had twice the RAM of the A500 ..)

Acorn Archimedes 400 series, and the 500 series that followed it (in practice only the A540). The original ARM workstations.

The single board computer Pi naming scheme is based on the BBC Micro (Model A, Model B).

As for the 'plus' - Acorn A7000+ was the last of the Acorn desktop computers to be released.

There is a heavy Acorn influence with Raspberry Pi, for good reason.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by Y_Y »

whyenot wrote: post #174
zamalek wrote: post #128

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I think that many companies have been appending + to the end of product names for an extremely long time. This is hardly an Apple innovation.

I think it actually was an Apple innovation, at least for {hobbyist, home, personal} computers. I did some digging and wasn't able to find anything before the Apple II+ in 1979. Please do prove me wrong, though!

I found an old edition of Byte from 77 where they advertise a "Vector Graphic Vector 1+":

https://isaac.lsu.edu/byte/issues/197710_Byte_Magazine_Vol_0...

A quick search doesn't find me pictures, but I did find a "Vector 1++”:

https://vintagecomputer.ca/vector-graphic-vector-1/

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by broomhall »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #74
soneil wrote: post #73

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> Nit: It's the Pi 500+ I really want to hope the name is a nod to the Amiga 500+ (which had twice the RAM of the A500 ..)

This made me do some research and I'd say it appears so. https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-500-and-raspbe... > Our experiences with that programme informed the development of Raspberry Pi 400, our all-in-one PC, whose form factor (and name) harks back to the great 8-bit and 16-bit computers – the BBC Micro, Sinclair Spectrum, and Commodore Amiga – of the 1980s and 1990s. (emphasis mine) So the 400 name is…

One of the main differences between the ZX Spectrum and Spectrum+ was the upgraded keyboard. The original had the famous mushy rubber keys but the Spectrum+ had an injection-moulded keyboard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum

So with a nod to both the 500+ and Spectrum+, it's a pretty apt name.

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