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Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by ramses0 »

kimmygraham wrote: post #106

Is it possible yet to Miracast from the Pi to a smart TV? I like the form factor, but I'd love to only be tethered to power and not HDMI.

Kindof same... but for me it's frustrating that they don't include any sort of mouse device, which negates the "all in one" of it.

Too much on Linux (and websites!) expect mouse-style input, so.... you have to have a mouse, the stupid HDMI adapter, etc...

It's almost a better form factor to use a regular pi paired with the Logitech keyboard + trackpad setups. You can almost treat the pi as if it were an inline power brick.

The alternative (that I haven't quite gotten around to trying yet) is to use one of the "use your phone as a mouse" apps, basically it installs a mouse-listener-over-WiFi and then at least you can emergency-browse with the "just a computer in a keyboard" setup.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by sockbot »

The Pi is already a module. I'd love to see the Pi "hundred" series start to incorporate modular designs between the keyboard and compute so they can be updated independently.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by threatofrain »

nsteel wrote: post #80
threatofrain wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're buying Raspberry Pi's, either the form factor or power requirements really worked for you, such as if you're in robotics, IoT sensors, or hardware-adjacent stuff, or you knew you were spending a little bit extra for the hobby space. That includes all the people setting up home labs for their own learning. An M1 is about $250 refurbished under Amazon's protection program. If you intend to use this as a hybri…

If you are going down this path, an N150 machine is cheaper, more flexible (Windows), more readily available, brand new, and performant enough for all the above use-cases. An old Mac Mini makes no sense to me.

Ah, the N150 machines are around $400-500 for me in the NUC. In that case it'd make sense to go for a new M4 Mini for $400 at Costco or student prices.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #121
kennywinker wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their original premise, a super low cost linux system for hardware exploration, is constantly being undermined by their price, imo. For most projects, as long as you don’t need GPIOs or super low power consumption, you should probably use an old mini pc that’s destined for scrap and cost less.

Is it really? If you want super low cost, they have the zero w2, the rpi2, the rpi3, etc. I feel they've already mostly perfected the products for that purpose. But of course they don't want to just 'stop building', so now they're moving up to more premium options. I feel there's nothing wrong with this. If you want the low cost exploration, stick with the things they designed forever ago, which fit that purpose.

The problem is that their high end options kind of suck from a performance/$ perspective. For $200, you can just get a $140 mini pc that will be 10x faster than a Pi and a keyboard to plug into it.

I don't think the lower end pi's are perfected (or anywhere near) either. The actual products are pretty good, but all the peripherals are pretty expensive and make the value a lot worse. A Rhasberry Pi zero only costs $15, but the case and SD cost $5 each, so the most basic config ends up costing way more than it should.

If they wanted to expand their offerings, IMO they should have focused on delivering sensible bundles (e.g. Pi+SD+case+power adapter) that aren't huge markups over the board alone (or maybe making variants custom tailored to specific use cases, e.g. a Pi-zero with emmc storage and insulated so that it doesn't need a case for long term use).

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by zamalek »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #121
kennywinker wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their original premise, a super low cost linux system for hardware exploration, is constantly being undermined by their price, imo. For most projects, as long as you don’t need GPIOs or super low power consumption, you should probably use an old mini pc that’s destined for scrap and cost less.

Is it really? If you want super low cost, they have the zero w2, the rpi2, the rpi3, etc. I feel they've already mostly perfected the products for that purpose. But of course they don't want to just 'stop building', so now they're moving up to more premium options. I feel there's nothing wrong with this. If you want the low cost exploration, stick with the things they designed forever ago, which fit that purpose.

A $80 x86 mini PC is wildly more powerful than prior Pis - at least so far as my home assistant use-case goes (Pi 4). Of course, the Pi is still king of power consumption (where x86 has improved, somewhat) and form-factor.

- $200 PC: https://www.ebay.com/itm/266099800893 - Core i5 @ 3GHz

- $80 PC: https://www.ebay.com/itm/135697152406 - Core i3 @ 3.5GHz

So Pi is really filling a niche where you want form-factor, perf, and power consumption - but not necessarily price. This keyboard is firmly in that niche.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by egypturnash »

chrismorgan wrote: post #10

> The ultimate all-in-one PC I object to this labelling: the term “all-in-one PC” has always been used to mean a computer integrated into a screen , to which you must add a keyboard and mouse (or more likely it will be bundled with a low-quality keyboard and mouse). But this is a computer integrated into a (good) keyboard , to which you must add a screen and mouse—and screens are more expensive than keyboards. Even a…

You don't add a new screen.

You plug it into the family TV. Just like you did in the eighties when you were a kid learning to program with your Speccy or c64 or whatever. Mom or Dad or your siblings can hang out and comment on what you're doing with it. That's the experience Raspberry has been claiming to want to reproduce since they first came onto the scene in 2012, despite them not getting around to stuffing a Pi into this form factor until 2022.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by anotheronelost »

I've bought pretty much all of the pis over the years, and was shocked at how capable the pi5 is at doing everything I need from a computer, including programming in a heavy IDE. Unfortunately, it's a non starter for doing anything serious on though as there's still AFAIK no support for full disk encryption in the installer, even if installing to SSD. Such a lost opportunity to be a 'PC' replacement.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by bsoles »

Rohansi wrote: post #110
cypherpunks01 wrote: post #99

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Are sd cards still corrupting all the time in rpi servers even with high-quality SLC sd cards, or just with cheap consumer sd cards?

Most likely cheap or fake SD cards. I've been running a Raspberry Pi camera (recording) to a SanDisk SD card for years and it's still going strong.

Same here. My Raspberry Pi Zero camera has been running non-stop for more than 2 years without a single issue.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by egypturnash »

LiamPowell wrote: post #22

All the marketing for this advertises it as a desktop computer. What's the appeal of this compared to a cheaper and more powerful N150 NUC, or a used mini PC if it's for personal use where you just need one? A N150 has about twice the CPU performance, hardware video decoding that isn't crippled, and much more software built for its architecture among other things.

Give it to your kid. Plug it into the family TV. Let them learn to hack while you're around to answer questions. Just like when you were a baby hacker in the eighties.

Less software is good - it makes kludging up your own more appealing, and there's a guide to getting started with that right there in the manual.

(Or you could try plugging a goggle-mounted display into it and using it as your personal cyberdeck.)

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